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Unread 04-30-2021, 08:42 PM   #1
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Saw this 1936 Krieghoff in a gun store today. I don't have any Krieghoffs myself, maybe someday, on the wish list for sure. Not as clean as I would like, but did appear to be matching except the magazine which is unmarked and appears to be messed with. Did not find a serial number on the takedown lever, but did not remove it either. Take down is a little beat. Had a hold open, but it did not function. Firing pin, side plate, toggle front and rear, toggle pin all matching. Took the best photos I could under their fluorescent lights to share with you. I understand there are a few variations of 1936 Krieghoffs. Please comment on this Krieghoff so I and others can learn. Seems pretty high priced at $4,500.00 considering everything, but I know Kriegs are high value. Thanks.
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Unread 04-30-2021, 08:43 PM   #2
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Unread 04-30-2021, 08:54 PM   #3
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but did appear to be matching except the magazine which is unmarked and appears to be messed with. --- Had a hold open, but it did not function.
A 'messed with' magazine is a good reason why a hold open doesn't function.
I suggest trying the hold open with another mag ... perhaps a new MecGar if you have one available. This could tell you a lot about whether the hold open is in need of work ... IMO I suspect the magazine is the real problem and this simple test will tell you a lot.
Looking at the mag images it definitely looks 'messed with' and in need of GT's attention

JMHO ... don't shoot the messenger ... just trying to help.
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Thanks Spangy, but it is not mine, just for sale in a gun shop. I do not intend to purchase this Krieghoff.
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It looks like a real Kreighoff but it has a BIG problem, it's stock lug appears to have been removed!
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Well Norme, good eye. That fact slipped by me. Did all 1936 Krieghoffs have stock lugs? And by the way, would this be a commercial or military Krieghoff? It has hidden serial numbers like a commercial. Here is the only pic I have of the back. I didn't check its heel well, as the missing stock lug escaped me in my rush.
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The number is not listed on Tom's list of Krieghoff's. With the lug ground off the frame must have been refinished.

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No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait till you find a nice one! https://simpsonltd.com/krieghoff-1936-c31229/
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It's a lot of money for a shooter!

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To my eye, either it never had a stock lug or the repair of the area from which one might have been removed is excellent.

Grinding off a stock lug to eliminate all traces of it does not leave enough material to present the same line as a frame that was built without. In other words, there's not a non lugged frame "inside" a lugged frame because the cuts for the lug go too deep.

It's also possible to spot refinish a discreet area of a Luger frame, as Ted Green once showed us in pics. We are patient enough to wait for better pics of this area, which may provide a clue. Alas, I'm not Krieghoff-savvy enough to know if this observation is even worthwhile.
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It also looks as though the frame was seriously dinged before refinishing.
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Boys, this Keieg was born a he..it is now a she.
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A real Bruce Gender, except Bruce kept his stock lug.
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Joe, I’m stealing your comment. It might only make sense in the Luger collecting world but it’s a keeper.

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Looks pretty honest to me .

Looking at the front frame pic tells me the entire frame has not been redone .
Maybe just redone to cover the hack job on the lug area .

You mention different variations on 1936 dated HK's .
Yes to that and this is a late one .
Note the 85 on the saftey bar .
Earlier ones are usually not numbered .
Note the frame front is not quite as polished as earlier 1936 dated ones .

This late example is more like a 1937 and should have serial numbers on most parts .

Does the owner know it is butchered ?
I have a weakness for honest but crippled HK"s but not at that price .
Actually have a good HK frame but obviously not this number .

And yes it is a standard military contract gun = late serial placement .
Takedown lever looks right and will be numbered on the inside .
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What causes the lines and circles on the receiver? My 1937 Kreighoff has neither~
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This is a late 1936 and pretty much the same as 1937"s .
Lines and " circles " are normal and should be there .
Assuming you mean the " circles " on the rear frame sides ?

All are machining-finishing marks .

On the " circles " most HK's have a matte - sand blasted looking finish in that area .

Not all though as a few late ones like the 1943 serial 11411 in Jans third reich lugers and my 1943 serial 11567 are not blasted looking and the area is kinda shiny - with circles of course .

NO END to the little details to study on honest HK's .

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What causes the lines and circles on the receiver? My 1937 Kreighoff has neither~
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I thought the machining on the right side of the receiver looked very rough for a Krieghoff. Especially one with a 7385 serial number.
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Kreighoff Birth Marks??
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I have 7932~
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