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Unread 07-14-2010, 10:10 PM   #41
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THERE IS AN ADDITION FOR YOUR CATALOG:
Alphabet Commercial (previously known as 1920 Commercial) and
29 DWM (previously known as DWM/Mauser Sneak)

*serial number, with letter suffix: 4272 n

*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? Cc/U?: YES. Crown over N

*right receiver proofs? NO

*blank toggle?

*Caliber .30 or 9mm?: .30

*Export marked? Not Marked.
...GERMANY
...MADE IN GERMANY
...location of stamp
...not marked
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked? None
*Chamber marked?
...none
...date
...American Eagle stamp
*Finnish Suome Armijnen M-23
...S.A marked left receiver
...Tikka barrel 4-inch? 5-inch? 4-inch. 0.3
...9mm or .30?
...unit mark grip medallion?
*A.F. Stoeger inscription?
...2-line
...3-line
*Safe/Loaded? Yes
*Blank toggle? DWM toggle? DWM
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? No.
*Police characteristics
...sear safety
...magazine safety
...police unit mark
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics
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Unread 07-14-2010, 10:12 PM   #42
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Sorry: Add to Catalog: Serial number is 4772
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I thought I had submitted my alphabet 4-digit commercial, but I don't see it in V4, so here it is...

*serial number, with letter suffix - 6782n
*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? - yes
*right receiver proofs? - no
*blank toggle? - DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm? - 30 cal
*Export marked?
...GERMANY - yes
...location of stamp - left frame rail above takedown lever
*Chamber marked? - no
*Blank toggle? DWM toggle? - DWM
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? - no
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics - C/N [upright], 6782, n --> on bottom of barrel
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Unread 03-08-2011, 09:59 PM   #44
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1920, DWM, .30 Luger
3910m (bottom of barrel, front of frame)
10 (rear toggle link, locking bolt, trigger plate, trigger,
Upright c/n (bottom of barrel, left side of receiver)
Lazy c/n (left side of breech block)
MADE IN GERMANY on right side of frame (poor stamping)
GESICHERT (safety)
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Unread 03-09-2011, 07:52 AM   #45
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The first:
*serial number, with letter suffix: 6439 o
*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs?. No
*blank toggle: No, DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30
*Export marked? No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No
*Safe/Loaded?: I German
* DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine, 6439o and C/N in the bottom of the barrel.

The second:
*serial number, with letter suffix: 7529 u
*proof marks, left receiver: crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs: No
*blank toggle?: No
*Caliber .30 or 9mm? 9mm
*Export marked: No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No
*Chamber marked:No
*Safe/Loaded: In German
DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine without marks. 7529u with C/N in the bottom of the barrel
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Unread 03-09-2011, 04:23 PM   #46
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Default Alphabet Commercial

*8317i
*crown over N is upright
*right receiver blank
*toggle marked DWM
*.30
* MADE IN GERMANY on frame front of the grips
* no Krieghoff Suhl
* no chamber markings
* no Finnish
* no A.F. Stoeger
* GELADEN
* DWM toggle
* no Eagle
* no Police
* thumb safety safe in rear position marked GESICHERT

the data base is quite impressive
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Unread 03-09-2011, 04:26 PM   #47
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Default Alphabet Commercial

One last addition to 8317i - crown over N also on bottom of barrel under serial number.
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Unread 03-21-2011, 10:49 PM   #48
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Default Alphabet Commercial

I have yet another addition to add for the 8317i. Located another N under Crown, sideways, on the left side of the forward toggle link.

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Unread 03-22-2011, 09:50 PM   #49
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One final addition to the 8317i.

The first two digits of the serial number, 83, appear on the inside of the trigger plate.

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Unread 12-13-2011, 05:32 PM   #50
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*serial number, with letter suffix: 80019
*proof marks, left receiver: NONE, may have been sandblasted away.
*right receiver proofs: YES; not Crown/N.
*blank toggle?: NO
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?: 9mm; VOPO rebarreled.
*Export marked: No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No
*Chamber marked:No
*Safe/Loaded: In German
*DWM toggle: YES
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No?? Unclear due to sandblasting.
*Police characteristics: No???
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: VOPO refinish. Most serial numbers matching; crossout restrikes on sear and safety blocking lever. VOPO barrel date code = 983; digit 3 above it. VOPO "bullseye" grips, "dip" rebluing.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 06:46 PM   #51
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uhhh, never heard of a vopo barrel date code, can I see pictures?


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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:06 PM   #52
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Somewhere, in my prowling of the Internet, I encountered the date code; it may have even been here on Luger Forum somewhere.

The date code is the barrel manufacture date. It's on the underside of the barrel, next to the receiver.

It's a 3 or 4 digit number, denoting MONTH of manufacture, and YEAR of manufacture.

In my barrel's case, it translates as September (i.e., Month 9) of 1983.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:22 PM   #53
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is it a 4 inch?

Then I bet it is 8,83 and that is the land to land measurement, and says that it was taken into service originally by the german army or police.

I could be wrong, but I'd need a picture to see that I was wrong


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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:26 PM   #54
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BTW... I'll try to find a suitable macro lens to try to get a decent picture of the markings. I'm short on short focal length stuff here; I mostly shoot women's roller derby.
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Hello Ed!

You're RIGHT... sloppily done strike on the first "8", as revealed by a magnifying glass!

Oops!!! Luger Novice here!
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Unread 12-13-2011, 09:52 PM   #56
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Oops!!! Luger Novice here!
Hey, not a bad thing...and you get to shoot women's roller derby. Sounds like you come out ahead!
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Unread 12-14-2011, 07:59 PM   #57
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Driven by curiosity, I dug up a somewhat disreputable 18mm lens and had a go at trying to do detailed photos of the Luger. The results were surprising indeed!

I'd forgotten something that forensic shooters know WELL; using a flash, details often show up that are invisible to the naked eye. Well, my little strobe turned up a LOT of details.

Yes, my "barrel date code" is indeed the 8.83 marking; it shows up beautifully in the pictures.


Luger barrel details by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr

I'm beginning to think that this thing WASN'T rebarreled; note the aligned index marks. Perhaps it was ALWAYS a 9 mm ???

Most interesting... the proof marks on the right side are now legible. Besides that, a proof on the barrel turned up; before, I'd dismissed it as a rust pitted spot! Also, evidence of a third proof mark showed up, but it's 90% sandblasted away.


Luger proof marks by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr

The toggle is here...


Luger toggle detail by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr


I'm in doubt about some of the metal scars on the sideplate... possibly ANOTHER proof mark that got buffed out???


Serial number details by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr


Hope this gives you some more information for the database.
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Unread 12-14-2011, 11:49 PM   #58
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1906 (New Model):
*serial number = 38115
*variation = AE
*proof marks, left receiver = None
*Caliber = 9mm
*Thumb safety stamped GESICHERT or polished = Polished
*Extractor stamped GELADEN or LOADED = LOADED
*Stamped GERMANY or not = GERMANY under serial
*long frame or short = SHORT
*thumb safety area stamped GESICHERT or SAFE = UNMARKED
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics = DWM toggle - Wood base mag, NOT marked 9mm - condition over 95%

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Alphabet commercial s/n 1321n
c/N upright on underside of barrel, left frame and lazy c/N front toggle link
DWM on toggle
Export mark: "Germany" on frame below barrel
Safe/Gesichert
30 cal.
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serial number, with letter suffix: 6421 i
*proof marks, left receiver & Barrel--crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs?. No
*blank toggle: No, DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30
*Export marked? Germany On Barrel
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No
*Safe/Loaded?: Gesichert/Geladen
* DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: S3 on Rear frame & Rt. upper
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