Simpsons Ltd's Webleys

cdmech · 05-15-2012, 09:32 PM

I know there has been some interest in Webleys here before so I thought I would mention that Simpsons Ltd is selling off a whole bunch of Webleys. They are being snatched up as fast as they put them on their web site.
https://www.simpsonltd.com/advanced_...b9b2200c2fa447

Marc

alanint · 05-15-2012, 10:36 PM

Sniff...I can remember when you could purchase a decent "war finish" Webley for about $250.

Patronen · 05-15-2012, 10:49 PM

I don't collect British per say but I can remember not too long ago you almost couldn't even give the Enfield type .380/200 bobbed jobs away. Well, not anymore.

hansfischer007 · 05-16-2012, 11:42 AM

OK Guys...Im showing my age here ....however....gotta tell you this...back in the day....approximately late 50s...my Dad...bought me a .38 Webley....stamped "War Finish"....from the back of a magazine...including 50 rounds of ammunition for.....(drum roll here......).....$16.00 plus shipping.....and stretching my memory but I seem to recall.......Lewis Dewat Machine Guns for $30.00..........sigh........the "Good Ole Days"......Ive still got the Webley....gave it to one of my Sons...............oh well......those were the days...........Hans Fischer

Ron Smith · 05-16-2012, 04:37 PM

My first center fire hand gun was a Webley MK IV , in like new condition. I paid $14.50 for it at the Archie Weinstein's Surplus store in Eugene. He had a pickle barrel full of lessor grade M-1 Carbines as a door stop. The sign said "Your Choice $19.95".

TheRomanhistorian · 05-17-2012, 10:11 AM

Marc,

Thanks for the link and a look at some interesting Webleys. I've been collecting some so that I can complete my WWI collection (of basically British and German handguns). I have to admit, some of the older blackpowder Webleys are sure tempting. Now if only they had a 1914 Mk V...

dz · 05-17-2012, 12:59 PM

You should notice that the webleys are .455 cal and not the common .38. Daivd

sheepherder · 05-17-2012, 06:03 PM

I guess I'm the only one who thinks these are way overpriced...

alvin · 05-17-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I guess I'm the only one who thinks these are way overpriced...

Don't know anything about Webley. But looks like the overall price range is actually lower than that of Lugers and Broomhandles. Is that normal?? Initial manufacturing cost does not count anymore, it's pure demand and supply driven now

dz · 05-17-2012, 07:43 PM

Even though they are .455, I agree they are expensive for Webleys, but It's Simpson.

cdmech · 05-17-2012, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

I guess I'm the only one who thinks these are way overpriced...

I bet in a couple of years folks will wish they could pick up guns at these prices. I've been watching Webley prices on Auction Arms, Gunbroker, etc for a few months now and Simpsons could be asking more, as evidenced by how fast they are selling.
Marc

alanint · 05-18-2012, 07:42 AM

The same can be said for P38s. Up until very recently you could still get a matching, correct, non import makerd P38 for $450-$500, now people are asking in the $1,000 area for run of the mill examples.

One wonders what changed?

alvin · 05-18-2012, 08:20 AM

Let's see this scenario making sense or not -- say, I retired last month, and I started collecting pistols... which one to buy though, so many choices.... but guns in $200-$900 range would be an easy starting point...

But I don't believe Webley or P38 could go without a cap. When they become expensive, there will be cheaper alternatives absorbing new collecting activities. Maybe one day my CZ 83, Yugo SKS, MN-91 etc would go above $500

cdmech · 05-19-2012, 05:49 PM

I bought this on Ebay. $12.95 in 1955. I'm seriously considering starting one of those junior rifle clubs.
Marc

Ron Smith · 05-19-2012, 07:41 PM

There's been a resurgence in interest in old classic guns. I think partly due to the "teflon" guns of today. Some of it has been spurred by the Cow Boy Shoot popularity. The younger "teflon" crowd has been exposed to how the old classic guns look, feel and shoot.

Webley's have also gained interest, mainly due to the numerous models and variations. Most of the Webley's on Simpson's are rare or scarce variations. The Military Webley's, MK IV and MK VI are climbing in value, but still somewhat affordable.

I have an interest in the old Model 98 Mauser German & Austrian Stalking Rifles. They were relatively, leveled off and affordable for a long period of time. Now they are beginning to be noticed and prices are rising fast.

alvin · 05-20-2012, 09:24 AM

I just thought it over. Interesting C&R guns should (1) have enough variations; (2) have certain production and survival volume in good shape, not too big not too small; (3) looks very different from current production ones.

Webley fulfills all three.

regul · 05-20-2012, 09:37 AM

I just thought I would show three Webley .22 Cal. conversion units I have picked up over the years.
The top two are for the Mk. VI .455 and the bottom is for the Mk. IV .38.

sheepherder · 05-20-2012, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regul

I just thought I would show three Webley .22 Cal. conversion units I have picked up over the years.
The top two are for the Mk. VI .455 and the bottom is for the Mk. IV .38.

Thank you for posting these pics!

I'm not familiar with conversion units - Could you show them mounted on a Webley? If that is not possible, could you describe how they mount?

regul · 05-20-2012, 10:53 AM

Pistino
The units mount by removing the cylinder and simply inserting the conversion barrel into the pistol barrel.
The single shot unit is retained by the pistols cam lever. The six shot conversion units barrel is ratained by the threaded muzzle nut and the cylinder is reained by the cam level.
I know I have not explained this very well, but hope the pictures help.
Thanks
Ed

sheepherder · 05-20-2012, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regul

Pistino
The units mount by removing the cylinder and simply inserting the conversion barrel into the pistol barrel.
The single shot unit is retained by the pistols cam lever. The six shot conversion units barrel is ratained by the threaded muzzle nut and the cylinder is reained by the cam level.
I know I have not explained this very well, but hope the pictures help.
Thanks
Ed

Ed -

Thanks for the explanation! I had wondered how the little 'clamp' on the 22 barrel worked; I'm guessing it acts as a spacer/stop for the 22 cylinder...

Interesting...Is the 22 barrel offset to allow the hammer to strike the rim of the 22's???

05-15-2012, 09:32 PM	#1
cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	Simpsons Ltd's Webleys I know there has been some interest in Webleys here before so I thought I would mention that Simpsons Ltd is selling off a whole bunch of Webleys. They are being snatched up as fast as they put them on their web site. https://www.simpsonltd.com/advanced_...b9b2200c2fa447 Marc

05-15-2012, 10:49 PM	#3
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	I don't collect British per say but I can remember not too long ago you almost couldn't even give the Enfield type .380/200 bobbed jobs away. Well, not anymore. __________________ Dave

05-16-2012, 11:42 AM	#4
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	Webley .38s OK Guys...Im showing my age here ....however....gotta tell you this...back in the day....approximately late 50s...my Dad...bought me a .38 Webley....stamped "War Finish"....from the back of a magazine...including 50 rounds of ammunition for.....(drum roll here......).....$16.00 plus shipping.....and stretching my memory but I seem to recall.......Lewis Dewat Machine Guns for $30.00..........sigh........the "Good Ole Days"......Ive still got the Webley....gave it to one of my Sons...............oh well......those were the days...........Hans Fischer

05-16-2012, 04:37 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	My first center fire hand gun was a Webley MK IV , in like new condition. I paid $14.50 for it at the Archie Weinstein's Surplus store in Eugene. He had a pickle barrel full of lessor grade M-1 Carbines as a door stop. The sign said "Your Choice $19.95". __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-17-2012, 10:11 AM	#6
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Marc, Thanks for the link and a look at some interesting Webleys. I've been collecting some so that I can complete my WWI collection (of basically British and German handguns). I have to admit, some of the older blackpowder Webleys are sure tempting. Now if only they had a 1914 Mk V... __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

05-15-2012, 10:36 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Sniff...I can remember when you could purchase a decent "war finish" Webley for about $250.

05-17-2012, 12:59 PM	#7
dz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 258 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 37 Posts	You should notice that the webleys are .455 cal and not the common .38. Daivd

05-17-2012, 06:03 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I guess I'm the only one who thinks these are way overpriced... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-17-2012, 07:43 PM	#10
dz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 258 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 37 Posts	Even though they are .455, I agree they are expensive for Webleys, but It's Simpson.

05-18-2012, 07:42 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The same can be said for P38s. Up until very recently you could still get a matching, correct, non import makerd P38 for $450-$500, now people are asking in the $1,000 area for run of the mill examples. One wonders what changed?

05-18-2012, 08:20 AM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Let's see this scenario making sense or not -- say, I retired last month, and I started collecting pistols... which one to buy though, so many choices.... but guns in $200-$900 range would be an easy starting point... But I don't believe Webley or P38 could go without a cap. When they become expensive, there will be cheaper alternatives absorbing new collecting activities. Maybe one day my CZ 83, Yugo SKS, MN-91 etc would go above $500

05-19-2012, 05:49 PM	#14
cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	I bought this on Ebay. $12.95 in 1955. I'm seriously considering starting one of those junior rifle clubs. Marc Attached Thumbnails

05-19-2012, 07:41 PM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	There's been a resurgence in interest in old classic guns. I think partly due to the "teflon" guns of today. Some of it has been spurred by the Cow Boy Shoot popularity. The younger "teflon" crowd has been exposed to how the old classic guns look, feel and shoot. Webley's have also gained interest, mainly due to the numerous models and variations. Most of the Webley's on Simpson's are rare or scarce variations. The Military Webley's, MK IV and MK VI are climbing in value, but still somewhat affordable. I have an interest in the old Model 98 Mauser German & Austrian Stalking Rifles. They were relatively, leveled off and affordable for a long period of time. Now they are beginning to be noticed and prices are rising fast. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-20-2012, 09:24 AM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I just thought it over. Interesting C&R guns should (1) have enough variations; (2) have certain production and survival volume in good shape, not too big not too small; (3) looks very different from current production ones. Webley fulfills all three.

05-20-2012, 09:37 AM	#17
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Webley .22 Cal Conversion units I just thought I would show three Webley .22 Cal. conversion units I have picked up over the years. The top two are for the Mk. VI .455 and the bottom is for the Mk. IV .38. Attached Thumbnails

05-20-2012, 10:53 AM	#19
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Pistino The units mount by removing the cylinder and simply inserting the conversion barrel into the pistol barrel. The single shot unit is retained by the pistols cam lever. The six shot conversion units barrel is ratained by the threaded muzzle nut and the cylinder is reained by the cam level. I know I have not explained this very well, but hope the pictures help. Thanks Ed Attached Thumbnails