handgun discharged at gun show today..10/12/08 - Page 2

davidkachel · 10-23-2008, 09:48 PM

Well, my spine is chilled!
I do a lot of dry fire practice and worry that sort of familiarity may come back to bite me in the ass.
I guess the only approach is an absurd level of caution.

Lyn Islaub · 10-23-2008, 10:02 PM

We have to tie wrap all of our pistols open at the shows here in Arizona; that's the rule. Regardless we had an AD here at a show last year, which just continues to show how careful you have to be. I picked up a 1910 Browning at a show in Wickenberg AZ last week that wasn't tie wrapped and had a round in the chamber with a full clip. The dealer about had heart failure when I ejected the chambered round. Sold the Browing to me cheap though, because I didn't make a too big deal of it and he wanted to get rid of me fast.
Lyn

George Anderson · 10-24-2008, 09:27 AM

Lyn, you gotta know when to strike hard and exploit an opportunity. Congratulations.

Russ · 10-24-2008, 09:58 AM

I have seen this happen 3 diferent time. The first was here in Klamath Falls. A guy walked in and did not have his 22 pistol checked at the door. Was showing it to a dealer and the dealer was holding it up and pulled the triger. It went threw the palm of his other hand and then threw a tshirt of a kid just grazed him and then into the wall.

Hillsboro Ore. The show permoters father(who used to be the show owner) shot a 25ACP into the floor. He did not even get thrown out of the show. Needles to say I will not go to there shows any more.

Reno last year a guy pulled the triger on a 12 gauge. luckily he had it aimed at a light fixture and just blew it away. He was escorted out.

You can never be to carful.

policeluger · 10-27-2008, 10:56 AM

A young boy was killed this week end with a full auto Uzi, seems even though he was under adult supervision, the gun climbed up when being fired and hit him in the head.....just let go of the trigger....just the reason why we were first instructed with 3 to 5 rounds in the Uzi mag at first to work on trigger control........tragic as this boys death is, here come the anti's and they will use it for all it is worth.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-27-2008, 11:24 AM

Howard, The youngster was fireing the weapon? What city? I will google search the article...

Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 10-27-2008, 11:34 AM

Jerry, google

A young boy was killed this week end with a full auto Uzi

a ton of info comes up

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ots_himse.html

George Anderson · 10-27-2008, 12:11 PM

In the MSN article I read this morning the headline stated that the shooting took place at a gun show. Only upn reading the article did one learn the truth. Typical careless or willfully dishonest liberal media.

alanint · 10-27-2008, 12:55 PM

I also heard a reenactor was shot last weekend with a live minie ball at some Civil War reenactment.
Has anybody else heard this? (at the office no time to google)

policeluger · 10-27-2008, 01:10 PM

I hear now that is was a "Micro Uzi"......have not heard anything about a CW reenactor being shot.....

alanint · 10-27-2008, 01:16 PM

Civil War Reenactor SHot....

Aw, heck, I needed to find out. Turns out it was last month not last weekend but true enough.....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_N.htm?csp=34

lugerholsterrepair · 10-27-2008, 04:23 PM

National news now...Truely a tradgedy that the young fellow was not given adequate instruction on weapons control. Same thing could happen with cars, ATV's or motorcycles or dozens of things. If you don't know how to operate machinery it could kill you.
I really feel for the young man..15 is a terrible time to lose your life. His Family too...

Jerry Burney

policeluger · 10-27-2008, 04:41 PM

Jerry....is was just 8.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-27-2008, 06:51 PM

8 is worse yet! I hate to be critical but it seems common sense was on vacation. Granted a MP like this has a freakish rate of climb but surely this so called certified instructor would have known that and taken it into consideration for an 8 year old!
Reminds me of a similar mistake I made with my 10 year old Niece. She wanted to ride a small dirt bike I had. After a half hour of instruction I put her on it for a leisurely put put around the circle drive. No sooner than she twists the throttle.. the force of the accelerating bike pushes her back, she holds on the tighter, causing the throttle to come full on and she rockets into the corner of my house. By the grace of God she is not killed outright and is only slightly injured. I learned a HUGE lesson that day about young children. Thank God the tuition was reasonable.

Jerry Burney

tomaustin · 12-21-2008, 05:16 PM

evacuated the building....that is some nasty stuff..

also a hou tx show, fellow shot a round, hit the aluminum pole of a booth, showered the adjacent booths with shrapnel, and one lady seller had a nasty wound on her arm...

chilidawg · 05-16-2009, 09:59 AM

I have heard of a couple of cases now where someone has placed an object into the barrel of a firearm, coins in a shotgun for example.

suum cuique · 08-29-2009, 12:38 PM

If all this happens, it is a clear sign of a lack of gun safety education. When I take a gun in my hand, the first thing I do is a chamber-check while pointing the gun to the ground. I never trust a gun until I checked it. This is a routine.
I guess one cause of this problem is that there is no draft anymore. That means no strict gun saftey training for the majority of the male population. (Finger off the trigger rule)
But even in the military accidents happens.
Handling a gun is like jumping with a chute. If you think you are very experienced and you get negligent, then accidents happens.
Since I have kids, I am even MORE careful.

BTW, a while ago a guy with an M4 type rifle had some "problems" with his gun, then he turned around with the gun talking to his buddy. Immediately the range officer came and sent him off the range. Really scary situation...

MikeP · 08-29-2009, 01:50 PM

I've seen 3 ADs at gunshows over the years, none recently.

Really gets your attention.

Nowadays they require wire thingies in the action.

At least we can still have shows.

The thing with the kid was beyond tragic.
Could have been avoided with familiarization using a two or three round load.
Plus hands on supervision.

NorthernPlus · 11-09-2009, 03:25 PM

I have attended approximately ten shows over the years where firearms were discharged. At least four of those discharges resulted in wounded individuals.

fdodge · 01-29-2010, 10:49 PM

I personally know of one person that has been responsible for 3 AD's.

10-23-2008, 09:48 PM	#21
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Well, my spine is chilled! I do a lot of dry fire practice and worry that sort of familiarity may come back to bite me in the ass. I guess the only approach is an absurd level of caution. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

10-24-2008, 09:58 AM	#24
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	I have seen this happen 3 diferent time. The first was here in Klamath Falls. A guy walked in and did not have his 22 pistol checked at the door. Was showing it to a dealer and the dealer was holding it up and pulled the triger. It went threw the palm of his other hand and then threw a tshirt of a kid just grazed him and then into the wall. Hillsboro Ore. The show permoters father(who used to be the show owner) shot a 25ACP into the floor. He did not even get thrown out of the show. Needles to say I will not go to there shows any more. Reno last year a guy pulled the triger on a 12 gauge. luckily he had it aimed at a light fixture and just blew it away. He was escorted out. You can never be to carful. __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

10-27-2008, 11:24 AM	#26
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Howard, The youngster was fireing the weapon? What city? I will google search the article... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-27-2008, 11:34 AM	#27
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Jerry, google A young boy was killed this week end with a full auto Uzi a ton of info comes up http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ots_himse.html __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-27-2008, 04:23 PM	#32
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	National news now...Truely a tradgedy that the young fellow was not given adequate instruction on weapons control. Same thing could happen with cars, ATV's or motorcycles or dozens of things. If you don't know how to operate machinery it could kill you. I really feel for the young man..15 is a terrible time to lose your life. His Family too... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-23-2008, 10:02 PM	#22
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	We have to tie wrap all of our pistols open at the shows here in Arizona; that's the rule. Regardless we had an AD here at a show last year, which just continues to show how careful you have to be. I picked up a 1910 Browning at a show in Wickenberg AZ last week that wasn't tie wrapped and had a round in the chamber with a full clip. The dealer about had heart failure when I ejected the chambered round. Sold the Browing to me cheap though, because I didn't make a too big deal of it and he wanted to get rid of me fast. Lyn

10-24-2008, 09:27 AM	#23
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Lyn, you gotta know when to strike hard and exploit an opportunity. Congratulations.

10-27-2008, 10:56 AM	#25
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	A young boy was killed this week end with a full auto Uzi, seems even though he was under adult supervision, the gun climbed up when being fired and hit him in the head.....just let go of the trigger....just the reason why we were first instructed with 3 to 5 rounds in the Uzi mag at first to work on trigger control........tragic as this boys death is, here come the anti's and they will use it for all it is worth.

10-27-2008, 12:11 PM	#28
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	In the MSN article I read this morning the headline stated that the shooting took place at a gun show. Only upn reading the article did one learn the truth. Typical careless or willfully dishonest liberal media.

10-27-2008, 12:55 PM	#29
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I also heard a reenactor was shot last weekend with a live minie ball at some Civil War reenactment. Has anybody else heard this? (at the office no time to google)

10-27-2008, 01:10 PM	#30
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I hear now that is was a "Micro Uzi"......have not heard anything about a CW reenactor being shot.....

10-27-2008, 01:16 PM	#31
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Civil War Reenactor SHot.... Aw, heck, I needed to find out. Turns out it was last month not last weekend but true enough..... http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_N.htm?csp=34

10-27-2008, 04:41 PM	#33
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Jerry....is was just 8.

10-27-2008, 06:51 PM	#34
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	8 is worse yet! I hate to be critical but it seems common sense was on vacation. Granted a MP like this has a freakish rate of climb but surely this so called certified instructor would have known that and taken it into consideration for an 8 year old! Reminds me of a similar mistake I made with my 10 year old Niece. She wanted to ride a small dirt bike I had. After a half hour of instruction I put her on it for a leisurely put put around the circle drive. No sooner than she twists the throttle.. the force of the accelerating bike pushes her back, she holds on the tighter, causing the throttle to come full on and she rockets into the corner of my house. By the grace of God she is not killed outright and is only slightly injured. I learned a HUGE lesson that day about young children. Thank God the tuition was reasonable. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-21-2008, 05:16 PM	#35
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	houston tx show--fellow pulled the pin on a teargas grenade.. evacuated the building....that is some nasty stuff.. also a hou tx show, fellow shot a round, hit the aluminum pole of a booth, showered the adjacent booths with shrapnel, and one lady seller had a nasty wound on her arm...

05-16-2009, 09:59 AM	#36
chilidawg User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have heard of a couple of cases now where someone has placed an object into the barrel of a firearm, coins in a shotgun for example.

08-29-2009, 12:38 PM	#37
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Gun safety education If all this happens, it is a clear sign of a lack of gun safety education. When I take a gun in my hand, the first thing I do is a chamber-check while pointing the gun to the ground. I never trust a gun until I checked it. This is a routine. I guess one cause of this problem is that there is no draft anymore. That means no strict gun saftey training for the majority of the male population. (Finger off the trigger rule) But even in the military accidents happens. Handling a gun is like jumping with a chute. If you think you are very experienced and you get negligent, then accidents happens. Since I have kids, I am even MORE careful. BTW, a while ago a guy with an M4 type rifle had some "problems" with his gun, then he turned around with the gun talking to his buddy. Immediately the range officer came and sent him off the range. Really scary situation...

08-29-2009, 01:50 PM	#38
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I've seen 3 ADs at gunshows over the years, none recently. Really gets your attention. Nowadays they require wire thingies in the action. At least we can still have shows. The thing with the kid was beyond tragic. Could have been avoided with familiarization using a two or three round load. Plus hands on supervision.

11-09-2009, 03:25 PM	#39
NorthernPlus New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have attended approximately ten shows over the years where firearms were discharged. At least four of those discharges resulted in wounded individuals.

01-29-2010, 10:49 PM	#40
fdodge New User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I personally know of one person that has been responsible for 3 AD's.