RIA Apr 24-26 2015 Auction - Page 3

cirelaw · 04-30-2015, 04:00 PM

I guess its easier than to make new ones, TKS

cirelaw · 04-30-2015, 04:28 PM

Heres what ole Ralph has to say~

Vlim · 04-30-2015, 04:53 PM

Eric, you are getting things mixed up. Whatever Krieghoff did, has nothing to do with what Mauser or Mauser under French control did. 2 different companies, 2 completely different ways of doing things.

The star marking on a Krieghoff frame is a 'commercial' / military rejection marking.
The star marking on the Mauser pistols after april, 1945 is a proof marking.

Ben M. · 04-30-2015, 04:55 PM

ralph costanzo??? it was sam.

cirelaw · 04-30-2015, 05:28 PM

Sam Costanzo wrote the book. Ralph Shattuck gave the book to me. Some post-stroke confusion, Tks

sheepherder · 04-30-2015, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Rich, You do have a great eye and good taste!

... ??? ...What???

cirelaw · 04-30-2015, 07:26 PM

Nothing my friend~A small mix-up on proofs on two different guns!!

siegersallee · 05-01-2015, 03:08 PM

Hi all,

With regard to the RIA auction, I tracked 11 pre-WWI - 1918 Lugers in the catalog.

Of the 11 here are the hammer prices with respect to the RIA estimate:

under: 4
within: 4
over: 1

and 2 with "Lot Sold" but no "Price Realized".

I called RIA about phenomenon where a lot sells but there is no realized price.

I was told lots listed as "Lot Sold" with no "Price Realized" meant there was a problem with the winner, the consignor, or the item.

Since one of these 2 lots was a lot I was outbid on, I am interested in finding out if the item is available to purchase.
RIA took my name etc and said they would notify the seller.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

Richard

cirelaw · 05-01-2015, 03:49 PM

I think the handled your inquiry well! Good for them! Eric

siegersallee · 05-01-2015, 07:01 PM

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cirelaw · 05-01-2015, 07:47 PM

Dealing with that many and buyers, sellers and post sale follow up they manage well! I have observed their auctions for many years. They were always there to answer my inquiries. Under the circumstance they are professional otherwise they would have out of business many years ago. Years ago they addressed my concern regarding a 1902 Fat Barrel and got right back. Their photography is always good. How do you think then can improve? I'm sure they would appreciate you views!! What most important you get to see how much a particular firearm sells for post auction! Much better than any blue book or reference as you have a pulse a real value in real time. Most important they give you a range and of the time the sales.Most fall within those estimates~These descriptions, sales and estimates are free to all and you can research past sale and future estimates. Your a better man then I. I got nervous playing Bingo with grannies in the rehab hospital. Good Luck ! Eric

siegersallee · 05-01-2015, 08:23 PM

???

The part I was seeking opinions about was:

"Since one of these 2 lots was a lot I was outbid on, I am interested in finding out if the item is available to purchase.
RIA took my name etc and said they would notify the seller.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?"

Their "promise" to transmit my "willingness to purchase" to the owner of the good was deceptive.

They do not benefit by facilitating a transfer of goods outside of the context of an auction...no matter what all your secretaries say...

cirelaw · 05-01-2015, 08:51 PM

I can't afford a forth, not lugers! Eric

04-30-2015, 04:28 PM	#42
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres what ole Ralph has to say~ Attached Thumbnails

05-01-2015, 03:08 PM	#48
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 100 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Hi all, With regard to the RIA auction, I tracked 11 pre-WWI - 1918 Lugers in the catalog. Of the 11 here are the hammer prices with respect to the RIA estimate: under: 4 within: 4 over: 1 and 2 with "Lot Sold" but no "Price Realized". I called RIA about phenomenon where a lot sells but there is no realized price. I was told lots listed as "Lot Sold" with no "Price Realized" meant there was a problem with the winner, the consignor, or the item. Since one of these 2 lots was a lot I was outbid on, I am interested in finding out if the item is available to purchase. RIA took my name etc and said they would notify the seller. Anyone have any thoughts about this? Richard __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

05-01-2015, 07:01 PM	#50
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 100 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	.. __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

05-01-2015, 08:23 PM	#52
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 100 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	??? The part I was seeking opinions about was: "Since one of these 2 lots was a lot I was outbid on, I am interested in finding out if the item is available to purchase. RIA took my name etc and said they would notify the seller. Anyone have any thoughts about this?" Their "promise" to transmit my "willingness to purchase" to the owner of the good was deceptive. They do not benefit by facilitating a transfer of goods outside of the context of an auction...no matter what all your secretaries say... __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

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04-30-2015, 04:00 PM	#41
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I guess its easier than to make new ones, TKS

04-30-2015, 04:53 PM	#43
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,030 Thanks: 1,017 Thanked 3,860 Times in 1,183 Posts	Eric, you are getting things mixed up. Whatever Krieghoff did, has nothing to do with what Mauser or Mauser under French control did. 2 different companies, 2 completely different ways of doing things. The star marking on a Krieghoff frame is a 'commercial' / military rejection marking. The star marking on the Mauser pistols after april, 1945 is a proof marking.

04-30-2015, 04:55 PM	#44
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 81 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	ralph costanzo??? it was sam.

04-30-2015, 05:28 PM	#45
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sam Costanzo wrote the book. Ralph Shattuck gave the book to me. Some post-stroke confusion, Tks

04-30-2015, 07:26 PM	#47
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Nothing my friend~A small mix-up on proofs on two different guns!!

05-01-2015, 03:49 PM	#49
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I think the handled your inquiry well! Good for them! Eric

05-01-2015, 07:47 PM	#51
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Dealing with that many and buyers, sellers and post sale follow up they manage well! I have observed their auctions for many years. They were always there to answer my inquiries. Under the circumstance they are professional otherwise they would have out of business many years ago. Years ago they addressed my concern regarding a 1902 Fat Barrel and got right back. Their photography is always good. How do you think then can improve? I'm sure they would appreciate you views!! What most important you get to see how much a particular firearm sells for post auction! Much better than any blue book or reference as you have a pulse a real value in real time. Most important they give you a range and of the time the sales.Most fall within those estimates~These descriptions, sales and estimates are free to all and you can research past sale and future estimates. Your a better man then I. I got nervous playing Bingo with grannies in the rehab hospital. Good Luck ! Eric

05-01-2015, 08:51 PM	#53
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I can't afford a forth, not lugers! Eric