handgun discharged at gun show today..10/12/08 - Page 3

saab-bob · 01-30-2010, 12:54 PM

Here is a interesting article about the 2010 Shot Show in Las Vegas

Not a AD,but still disturbing.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...5000370242.htm

Bob

lew1 · 01-30-2010, 01:49 PM

Either they were stupid or trying to cut corners. In either event, they deserved to be burned. That being said, it could very well adversly affect gun owners.

fdodge · 01-31-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Long time experience with guns is almost as dangerous as no experience at all. Every once in a while we get careless through sheer habit.

I don't completely agree with that.

rivieraranch · 10-04-2010, 09:48 PM

I attended a gun show in Miami in the late 1980's where some idiot came in with an ultra modern high capacity 9mm; it discharged and struck a young teenage boy, the grandson of a well liked, long-time dealer. Fire Rescue whisked the boy off. My friend, an accomplished outdoorsman from upstate New York, noticed that the pool of blood on the floor had bubbles in it, which meant that the boy had been struck in the lung. The boy died.

It was after this that the gun shows began requiring people to tie open the actions of guns brought in.

alanint · 10-05-2010, 06:21 AM

I was at the SHOT show in Vegas this year. We were standing around one of the "eat while standing" tables in the food court when an affable sort walked up. I and another member in the group noticed a last minute "flip" of the guy' ID badge as he asked to join us at the table. He proceeded to pump us for all we might know about the group that was arrested, ( I am casually aquainted with two of them) and had we ever dealt with them, etc? My friend who had been in a better position to see the show badge just prior to the flip gently shook his head so we all clammed up. After some time this guy had not been able to elicit any show gossip from us so he moved away. My friend then confirmed that his show badge had identified him as FBI.
It's not that I am adverse to cooperating with law enforcement. Quite the opposite, in fact. I just didn't like the tactic of seeking information without identifying himself. Any one of us could have gotten his rear in a wringer by dropping idle gossip at that point.

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2010, 06:54 AM

I just read the story, what is a shame is that in the "alledged" country, it is probably part of the negotiating process to give some extra profit... and I have heard that in some countries, it is expected.

ed

cirelaw · 10-05-2010, 08:19 AM

Thats like dying in a funeral polar!

lew1 · 10-05-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

I was at the SHOT show in Vegas this year. We were standing around one of the "eat while standing" tables in the food court when an affable sort walked up. I and another member in the group noticed a last minute "flip" of the guy' ID badge and he asked to join us at the table. He proceeded to pump us for all we might know about the group that was arrested, ( I am casually aquainted with two of them) and had we ever dealt with them, etc? My friend who had been in a better position to see the show badge gently shook his head so we all clammed up. When after some time this guy had not been able to elicit any show gossip from us he moved away. My friend then confirmed that his show badge had identified him as FBI.
It's not that I am adverse to cooperating with law enforcement. Quite the opposite, in fact. I just didn't like the tactic of seeking information without identifying himself. Any one of us could have gotten his rear in a wringer by dropping idle gossip at that point.

I have a general practice - which is not to discuss 'anything' with someone I do not know - other than the weather or what the other person can actually see.

paid4c4 · 10-05-2010, 02:47 PM

Being an avid gun show participant in the winter months I'm surprised there aren't more AD's. However there can't be an AD unless weapons have a mechanical malfunction and self discharge. AD's are caused because a human being didn't follow proper safety gun handling protocol. You can't have an AD if you checked and cleared a weapon when picking it up. If you hand me an unloaded weapon the first thing I'm going to do is check it and clear it. I primarily collect M1 Garands and each of them have a breech flag, over kill probably. I'm over cautious with weapons. In my line of work I've seen several dead people who were killed with an empty weapon and a bunch of shot injured people who were shot with an unloaded weapon. Boils down to keeping our fingers off the triggers until we have personally checked and cleared weapons we handle. You check them for me and I'll check them for you. I practice what I preach because years ago I had an AD which could have ended a career and hurt someone. Lucky it didn't have bad results but I learned a valuable lesson. I was also at fault and responsible.
Bill

lugersrkewl · 02-24-2012, 02:12 AM

do not do a desk pop if there is an upper floor above you , safety first

01-30-2010, 12:54 PM	#41
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Here is a interesting article about the 2010 Shot Show in Las Vegas Not a AD,but still disturbing. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...5000370242.htm Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

01-30-2010, 01:49 PM	#42
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Either they were stupid or trying to cut corners. In either event, they deserved to be burned. That being said, it could very well adversly affect gun owners. __________________ charlie

10-05-2010, 06:21 AM	#45
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I was at the SHOT show in Vegas this year. We were standing around one of the "eat while standing" tables in the food court when an affable sort walked up. I and another member in the group noticed a last minute "flip" of the guy' ID badge as he asked to join us at the table. He proceeded to pump us for all we might know about the group that was arrested, ( I am casually aquainted with two of them) and had we ever dealt with them, etc? My friend who had been in a better position to see the show badge just prior to the flip gently shook his head so we all clammed up. After some time this guy had not been able to elicit any show gossip from us so he moved away. My friend then confirmed that his show badge had identified him as FBI. It's not that I am adverse to cooperating with law enforcement. Quite the opposite, in fact. I just didn't like the tactic of seeking information without identifying himself. Any one of us could have gotten his rear in a wringer by dropping idle gossip at that point. Last edited by alanint; 10-05-2010 at 08:53 AM.

10-04-2010, 09:48 PM	#44
rivieraranch User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 101 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I attended a gun show in Miami in the late 1980's where some idiot came in with an ultra modern high capacity 9mm; it discharged and struck a young teenage boy, the grandson of a well liked, long-time dealer. Fire Rescue whisked the boy off. My friend, an accomplished outdoorsman from upstate New York, noticed that the pool of blood on the floor had bubbles in it, which meant that the boy had been struck in the lung. The boy died. It was after this that the gun shows began requiring people to tie open the actions of guns brought in.

10-05-2010, 06:54 AM	#46
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I just read the story, what is a shame is that in the "alledged" country, it is probably part of the negotiating process to give some extra profit... and I have heard that in some countries, it is expected. ed

10-05-2010, 08:19 AM	#47
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thats like dying in a funeral polar!

10-05-2010, 02:47 PM	#49
paid4c4 User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Being an avid gun show participant in the winter months I'm surprised there aren't more AD's. However there can't be an AD unless weapons have a mechanical malfunction and self discharge. AD's are caused because a human being didn't follow proper safety gun handling protocol. You can't have an AD if you checked and cleared a weapon when picking it up. If you hand me an unloaded weapon the first thing I'm going to do is check it and clear it. I primarily collect M1 Garands and each of them have a breech flag, over kill probably. I'm over cautious with weapons. In my line of work I've seen several dead people who were killed with an empty weapon and a bunch of shot injured people who were shot with an unloaded weapon. Boils down to keeping our fingers off the triggers until we have personally checked and cleared weapons we handle. You check them for me and I'll check them for you. I practice what I preach because years ago I had an AD which could have ended a career and hurt someone. Lucky it didn't have bad results but I learned a valuable lesson. I was also at fault and responsible. Bill

02-24-2012, 02:12 AM	#50
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	do not do a desk pop if there is an upper floor above you , safety first