Snail Drum, Early Nurnberg 1st Issue/Type 2 TM-08

G41M · 08-22-2022, 07:19 PM

Bought this a good while ago, a very early Nurnberg 1st Issue/Type 2 TM-08, S/N 12016 matching front and back. Was fortunate enough that the dust cover and the adapter sleeve for the Bergmann MP-18.1 came with it. Being a 1st Issue/Type 2, it has the one reinforcing rib on the top around the winding lever. But S/N 12016 also has the 1st Issue Type 1 cast mold numbers, "2016" on the column bracket and "2018" on the winding lever (only "018" legible on winding lever). The column bracket being secured by two machine screws. The stem is stamped with a c/"S" as is the the loader on one side near the base. From "The Luger Snail Drum" by Edward Sayre page 64, the serial range for this variation ran approximately from 5,000 to 83,000 S/N units. The original loader was purchased later when it showed up at Collector's in Houston. And they have been hard to find here. Enjoy the pics.

aldo35 · 08-23-2022, 02:37 PM

Great pictures! How did you take them?

G41M · 08-23-2022, 05:16 PM

Aldo35,
After reading some how-to picture taking on this forum, I really need the light box, a real camera, and a small tripod. But in the mean time here is a few observations and tricks.

My Gear: Old iPhone, sometimes a Dewalt 20v rotary head work light directed up toward ceiling, and a small hand lens. No incandescent lights on. When using the Dewalt light, move the rotary head in such a way it will not cause glare on the object.

1) If inside near windows, must have indirect sun. Nothing overly bright. I get the best indoor pictures near the old single pane windows. The triple pane windows in the house give a blue cast to the picture.

2) Once set up, move the gun or object in such a way the stamps or lettering suddenly "pop" into clarity without glare. Usually partial zoom on iPhone is done. Take a few shots of each layout. Most of time some will be off focus, but one or two will stand out showing fine detail. If I want to capture a small stamp, use the hand lens in front of the camera lens and approach the object until best clarity is seen.

3) Transfer pics from iPhone to laptop. Have a named folder ready such as Luger #1234 for all pre-sizing photo images. I like to see the file name and file size of the picture, not the image. In the lower right hand corner of the window containing all the images, there are two small icons, one displays the file name/size and the other a picture. Choose the file name/size. I want to now edit to reduce the file size down. Double click on one photo at a time. Windows paint screen now becomes active. See the little window called "Resize". It will have 100 in it to start, change to 20. Also, in the "Rotate" box just below size, select left or right for appearance, then hit the save icon and close screen. If you forget to hit save or the save icon, it will prompt you when you try to close the picture.

What I have been doing, is have several folders made up under the parent folder, maybe labeled, frame, slide, barrel, stocks. Move the pics into the appropriate folder. Review each pic and cull out the bad ones.

4) Now you are ready to upload to the forum.

A little practice and it works ok most of time. As I have sold guns or accessories on Guns International, buyers thank me for the clear pictures because it really helped understanding the condition and what their buying. Hope this helped.

08-23-2022, 02:37 PM	#2
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,221 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Snail Drum Great pictures! How did you take them?

08-23-2022, 05:16 PM	#3
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 35 Thanks: 83 Thanked 143 Times in 24 Posts	Low Budget Pictures Aldo35, After reading some how-to picture taking on this forum, I really need the light box, a real camera, and a small tripod. But in the mean time here is a few observations and tricks. My Gear: Old iPhone, sometimes a Dewalt 20v rotary head work light directed up toward ceiling, and a small hand lens. No incandescent lights on. When using the Dewalt light, move the rotary head in such a way it will not cause glare on the object. 1) If inside near windows, must have indirect sun. Nothing overly bright. I get the best indoor pictures near the old single pane windows. The triple pane windows in the house give a blue cast to the picture. 2) Once set up, move the gun or object in such a way the stamps or lettering suddenly "pop" into clarity without glare. Usually partial zoom on iPhone is done. Take a few shots of each layout. Most of time some will be off focus, but one or two will stand out showing fine detail. If I want to capture a small stamp, use the hand lens in front of the camera lens and approach the object until best clarity is seen. 3) Transfer pics from iPhone to laptop. Have a named folder ready such as Luger #1234 for all pre-sizing photo images. I like to see the file name and file size of the picture, not the image. In the lower right hand corner of the window containing all the images, there are two small icons, one displays the file name/size and the other a picture. Choose the file name/size. I want to now edit to reduce the file size down. Double click on one photo at a time. Windows paint screen now becomes active. See the little window called "Resize". It will have 100 in it to start, change to 20. Also, in the "Rotate" box just below size, select left or right for appearance, then hit the save icon and close screen. If you forget to hit save or the save icon, it will prompt you when you try to close the picture. What I have been doing, is have several folders made up under the parent folder, maybe labeled, frame, slide, barrel, stocks. Move the pics into the appropriate folder. Review each pic and cull out the bad ones. 4) Now you are ready to upload to the forum. A little practice and it works ok most of time. As I have sold guns or accessories on Guns International, buyers thank me for the clear pictures because it really helped understanding the condition and what their buying. Hope this helped. Last edited by G41M; 08-24-2022 at 12:34 PM.

08-22-2022, 07:19 PM	#1
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 35 Thanks: 83 Thanked 143 Times in 24 Posts	Snail Drum, Early Nurnberg 1st Issue/Type 2 TM-08 Bought this a good while ago, a very early Nurnberg 1st Issue/Type 2 TM-08, S/N 12016 matching front and back. Was fortunate enough that the dust cover and the adapter sleeve for the Bergmann MP-18.1 came with it. Being a 1st Issue/Type 2, it has the one reinforcing rib on the top around the winding lever. But S/N 12016 also has the 1st Issue Type 1 cast mold numbers, "2016" on the column bracket and "2018" on the winding lever (only "018" legible on winding lever). The column bracket being secured by two machine screws. The stem is stamped with a c/"S" as is the the loader on one side near the base. From "The Luger Snail Drum" by Edward Sayre page 64, the serial range for this variation ran approximately from 5,000 to 83,000 S/N units. The original loader was purchased later when it showed up at Collector's in Houston. And they have been hard to find here. Enjoy the pics. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by G41M; 08-24-2022 at 09:08 AM.