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UF-28 · 03-17-2014, 03:08 PM

Gents,

I picked up this magazine that is supposed to be proper for a 41 byf . I was expecting fxo on it and e/37 This does not have that. it has the black plastic bottom and a letter (e maybe?) on its back .

Is this an original magazine ? or a fake

Is this proper for a 41 byf ?

Does it have to have fxo on it to be original?

Thanks
RJ

Edward Tinker · 03-17-2014, 03:23 PM

It looks original to me, however, the 'a' is weird.

I have one that was marked on the bottom xxxx and then eagle 63 or whatever and the bottom was all messed up, so I put a black base on it - there weren't ANY markings on it, no e37 or FXO etc.

That is my feeling on yours.

Ed

Neil Young · 03-17-2014, 04:02 PM

I do not think it is proper for a byf. The tube should be marked with the fxo, the e/37 in two places and a P.08.

UF-28 · 03-17-2014, 06:16 PM

Can someone explain what fxo stands for or what it is. I understood it was a subcontract for Mauser. If that the case wouldn't it make this mag proper anyway .because of the black plastic bottom.and coloring ...just a different mfg.

Just as in the case of DWM and there crescent punch mark and Erfurt rectangular shape punch mark on there magazines Please I need the experts help here

Thanks guys RJ

mrerick · 03-17-2014, 08:17 PM

"fxo" is the WW-II German concealment code for Haenel Schmeisser, the manufacturer of these welded and milled magazines.

These were the highest quality magazines made for Lugers, and generally function quite well. Your magazine looks almost new.

This one would be period correct for your Luger. i don't think anyone else had the tooling for producing these magazines, so it isn't a "fake". It most likely came from the Haenel factory in Suhl Germany.

After WW-II, the Haenel factory was taken over by the Russians and East Germany, where they continued to produce these milled magazines.

Military accepted magazines should have the concealment code, along with a Waffenamt inspector's stamp, like the Eagle/37 stamp generally seen on these magazines .

The VoPo (East German) made magazines have a distinctive stamping on them too, which this one doesn't have.

So, perhaps this one was sold commercially? I've not seen that "a" stamping in a Haenel Schmeisser magazine.....

There are magazine experts that frequent this forum. Perhaps they've seen something like this.

Marc

Edward Tinker · 03-17-2014, 09:44 PM

I would still say it's an earlier one with a new base.

However Tim on Jan's forum has other ideas.

klaus 3338 · 03-18-2014, 02:37 AM

Another fxo magazine with the "a" on the back. This mag has a alu button without numbers. Maybe the a represent a replacement mag.

03-17-2014, 03:08 PM	#1
UF-28 User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Toms River,NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 56 Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts	School ME Gents, I picked up this magazine that is supposed to be proper for a 41 byf . I was expecting fxo on it and e/37 This does not have that. it has the black plastic bottom and a letter (e maybe?) on its back . Is this an original magazine ? or a fake Is this proper for a 41 byf ? Does it have to have fxo on it to be original? Thanks RJ Attached Thumbnails __________________ ANY LUGER IS A GOOD LUGER

03-17-2014, 03:23 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	It looks original to me, however, the 'a' is weird. I have one that was marked on the bottom xxxx and then eagle 63 or whatever and the bottom was all messed up, so I put a black base on it - there weren't ANY markings on it, no e37 or FXO etc. That is my feeling on yours. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-17-2014, 04:02 PM	#3
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	I do not think it is proper for a byf. The tube should be marked with the fxo, the e/37 in two places and a P.08. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

03-17-2014, 06:16 PM	#4
UF-28 User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Toms River,NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 56 Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts	Can someone explain what fxo stands for or what it is. I understood it was a subcontract for Mauser. If that the case wouldn't it make this mag proper anyway .because of the black plastic bottom.and coloring ...just a different mfg. Just as in the case of DWM and there crescent punch mark and Erfurt rectangular shape punch mark on there magazines Please I need the experts help here Thanks guys RJ __________________ ANY LUGER IS A GOOD LUGER

03-17-2014, 08:17 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	"fxo" is the WW-II German concealment code for Haenel Schmeisser, the manufacturer of these welded and milled magazines. These were the highest quality magazines made for Lugers, and generally function quite well. Your magazine looks almost new. This one would be period correct for your Luger. i don't think anyone else had the tooling for producing these magazines, so it isn't a "fake". It most likely came from the Haenel factory in Suhl Germany. After WW-II, the Haenel factory was taken over by the Russians and East Germany, where they continued to produce these milled magazines. Military accepted magazines should have the concealment code, along with a Waffenamt inspector's stamp, like the Eagle/37 stamp generally seen on these magazines . The VoPo (East German) made magazines have a distinctive stamping on them too, which this one doesn't have. So, perhaps this one was sold commercially? I've not seen that "a" stamping in a Haenel Schmeisser magazine..... There are magazine experts that frequent this forum. Perhaps they've seen something like this. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-17-2014, 09:44 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I would still say it's an earlier one with a new base. However Tim on Jan's forum has other ideas.

03-18-2014, 02:37 AM	#7
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 395 Times in 156 Posts	Another fxo magazine with the "a" on the back. This mag has a alu button without numbers. Maybe the a represent a replacement mag. Attached Thumbnails