Interesting Book On Germany's Ebay

Thor · 05-16-2004, 10:18 AM

George Anderson · 05-16-2004, 10:40 AM

That's the late Ian Hogg's book German language edition. It was my first "Luger"reference work and is quite worthless. Hogg states in it that the LP08, which he refers to as the P17, was not made prior to 1917 and that all those examples marked otherwise were reworks.

As a smartass punk I once offered this info to a dealer/collector and he looked at me as though I had three heads. Then he handed me an LP08 holster dated 1915 and said "...splain dat."

Thor · 05-16-2004, 10:46 AM

Good one George, thanks for update, I had no idea about this book. Kind of reminds me of the Luger pocket book that states all Luger variations (including the byfs we know as Black Widows) have strawed parts. The pocket book at least has SOME good information in it.

Vlim · 05-16-2004, 01:35 PM

Hi,

Ian Hogg was more a weapons technician than a collector and this can be seen in his books.

Funnily enough, he admits his 1917 LP08 mistake in his 2001 issued 'German Handguns' and rightfully states the correct info.

the gunman · 05-16-2004, 04:35 PM

At least 10% of everything , Ian Hogg has written on all types of weapons is wrong . His information on german weapons is really very poor.I dont think he was much of a technician either.I wrote this man a couple of times about mistakes he had made.He actually wrote back telling me more or less that I had no idea what I was talking about.The facts latter proofed me right. I really cant say to much about this so called expert!!!! .But I
do agree his books next to worthless.

Navy · 05-16-2004, 05:50 PM

The guy is neither a good technician nor a good collector; he is good at selling books tho....

Tom A.

George Anderson · 05-16-2004, 10:02 PM

Ian Hogg was probably a nice fellow who loved his wife, children and grandchildren. That said, his greatest success was self promotion; check out History Channel's "Story of the Gun" they seem to trot him out for damn near every foreign military weapon program.

the gunman · 05-16-2004, 10:14 PM

I gotta pass on the nice fellow.

Vlim · 05-17-2004, 09:25 AM

Oh well,

Self-promotion is an art in it's self

But if anyone is still interested in this book, I'd suggest the English version. At least the amount of translation mistakes will be limited

05-16-2004, 10:18 AM	#1
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05-16-2004, 10:46 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Good one George, thanks for update, I had no idea about this book. Kind of reminds me of the Luger pocket book that states all Luger variations (including the byfs we know as Black Widows) have strawed parts. The pocket book at least has SOME good information in it. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-16-2004, 10:40 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	That's the late Ian Hogg's book German language edition. It was my first "Luger"reference work and is quite worthless. Hogg states in it that the LP08, which he refers to as the P17, was not made prior to 1917 and that all those examples marked otherwise were reworks. As a smartass punk I once offered this info to a dealer/collector and he looked at me as though I had three heads. Then he handed me an LP08 holster dated 1915 and said "...splain dat."

05-16-2004, 01:35 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,045 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,941 Times in 1,196 Posts	Hi, Ian Hogg was more a weapons technician than a collector and this can be seen in his books. Funnily enough, he admits his 1917 LP08 mistake in his 2001 issued 'German Handguns' and rightfully states the correct info.

05-16-2004, 04:35 PM	#5
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	At least 10% of everything , Ian Hogg has written on all types of weapons is wrong . His information on german weapons is really very poor.I dont think he was much of a technician either.I wrote this man a couple of times about mistakes he had made.He actually wrote back telling me more or less that I had no idea what I was talking about.The facts latter proofed me right. I really cant say to much about this so called expert!!!! .But I do agree his books next to worthless.

05-16-2004, 05:50 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	The guy is neither a good technician nor a good collector; he is good at selling books tho.... Tom A.

05-16-2004, 10:02 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Ian Hogg was probably a nice fellow who loved his wife, children and grandchildren. That said, his greatest success was self promotion; check out History Channel's "Story of the Gun" they seem to trot him out for damn near every foreign military weapon program.

05-16-2004, 10:14 PM	#8
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	I gotta pass on the nice fellow.

05-17-2004, 09:25 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,045 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,941 Times in 1,196 Posts	Oh well, Self-promotion is an art in it's self But if anyone is still interested in this book, I'd suggest the English version. At least the amount of translation mistakes will be limited