Kristmas Krieghoffs

Tom Whiteman · 12-19-2005, 12:29 PM

I was not anticipating much as I went to my local gun show this weekend, but figured it was better than going to the mall. Much to my surprise, there arose such a clatter.... as I went to a table to find 3 Kreighoffs that matter! (sorry, but I was trying to be clever) They were all matching and correct- easily all three are 98-99%. All came from a local collector who had them for years. Unfortunately, he knew what they were worth, so I pledged top dollar for all three as I knew it would be a long time before I could find such guns again. An S code, a 1936, and a 1940.
For now I cannot give you pictures as it was all it could do to give him all my available money to hold the three. Hopefully will pay them off early next year. (I know Tom A. will be jealous once I can post the pictures.)

John Sabato · 12-19-2005, 12:33 PM

Looking forward to seeing the Photos Tom... do you have the particulars about serial numbers and such... John D. may be able to tell you something about the history of those pieces if you have more info while waiting to get photos...

Merry Christmas!

Edward Tinker · 12-19-2005, 12:47 PM

Tom, three Kreigs!!!

holy smokes, congrats! and Merry Christmas!

Ed

Ron Wood · 12-19-2005, 01:03 PM

Whee, 3 Kriegs how fortunate are!
Cost much more than a new car!

Help, this attempt at a clever Christmas theme is contageous. Somebody stop me before the guys with the white coat show up!

Great find Tom. You must have been a very good boy this year.

Tom Whiteman · 12-19-2005, 01:24 PM

Thanks for the good wishes. Here are serial numbers
S code - 8241
1936 - 6353
1940 - 10850

Navy · 12-19-2005, 03:30 PM

Hi Tom,

Congrats!

A question, bitte: Is your 1936 a "36" or "1936" chamber date?

Also, your 1936 is within 400 numbers of mine and your 1940 is likewise within 400 of mine.

Enjoy!

Tom A

Dwight Gruber · 12-19-2005, 03:48 PM

TomW,

Your 1936 is recorded in Gibson.

And a question, because all I know about Krieghoff comes from my copy of Gibson, isn't 8241 way high for an S-code gun?

--Dwight

thegundude · 12-19-2005, 06:13 PM

Woah... *gasp*

{:^O

Guys, I am in total awe... And to think that I suffer anguish over a mismatched, santitized Bulgarian... I'm dumbfounded.

I think I'll go sit in the corner with a big steaming mug full of STFU.

Can't wait to see the pictures...

Tom Whiteman · 12-19-2005, 11:15 PM

Tom A: The 1936 has the full 1936 marking.
On the S code. I will double check the serial number as I too thought that seemed late for the range. Will get back to you to verify the number.

Navy · 12-19-2005, 11:43 PM

For the Gundude,

Steve,
A cup of stfu is often a wonderful tonic that leads to knowledge. I learned this several decades ago. Congrats on your recognition of the same. :-)

Kreigs are something of "tierra incognita" as little is documented outside of Randy Gibson's work, and it has errors. So, we are where Luger collectors were in the late '60s early '70's as far as Kreigies go. Much more research needs to be done. John D. has done some great research and has been of wonderful assistance to me in authentificating my piddling group of Kreigs.

For Tom Whiteman, We need to get together and do a side by side disassembly of some of these *sweet* guns

Tom A

Big Norm · 12-20-2005, 02:35 AM

Tom W,
nice going. Hows about the mags? Do they match? My Christmas present to myself is a 1902 AE 'Fat Barrel' that I am still awaiting delivery of. So I understand your excitement.

Big Norm

Tom Whiteman · 12-20-2005, 09:04 AM

The S code is indeed outside the range at 8241. (in line with a 1937) and the barrell is not numbered, which I believe is an earlier feature. (1936). So, that maybe disappointing. The other two seem right as rain.
Tom A. : I could bring to the next NAPCA conf. for your inspection?

The magazine is #8044 on this one and it has luftwaffe L2 proof.
Again, I will get pictures on these guns.

Navy · 12-20-2005, 10:56 AM

Hi Tom,

Bring to Chantilly in Feb or Louisville or Chattanooga...any where that is convenient, just let me know and I'll bring mine..

Tom A

Tom Whiteman · 12-20-2005, 01:41 PM

Chantilly it is... thanks. Do you want to bring camera for digital photos. Fine with me if you do.

Navy · 12-20-2005, 04:04 PM

Yeah, can do. We can do a side by side photo spread

Tom A

pipeman45 · 12-20-2005, 04:18 PM

Pics-Pics-Pics . We want PICS!!!

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2005, 05:01 PM

oh Tom (s), just send them to me, I will be glad to do a photo shoot for both of you guys! I promise, I'd try really hard not to mix parts up!

Navy · 12-20-2005, 07:22 PM

Ed,

Relax bud...just sit back and have an egg nog and relax...

Tom

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2005, 07:26 PM

I had to dump the egg-nog, it was fermenting

thegundude · 12-21-2005, 11:29 AM

Eggnog is better when it's a little chewy (and well fermented)...

12-19-2005, 12:29 PM	#1
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	Kristmas Krieghoffs I was not anticipating much as I went to my local gun show this weekend, but figured it was better than going to the mall. Much to my surprise, there arose such a clatter.... as I went to a table to find 3 Kreighoffs that matter! (sorry, but I was trying to be clever) They were all matching and correct- easily all three are 98-99%. All came from a local collector who had them for years. Unfortunately, he knew what they were worth, so I pledged top dollar for all three as I knew it would be a long time before I could find such guns again. An S code, a 1936, and a 1940. For now I cannot give you pictures as it was all it could do to give him all my available money to hold the three. Hopefully will pay them off early next year. (I know Tom A. will be jealous once I can post the pictures.)

12-19-2005, 12:33 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Looking forward to seeing the Photos Tom... do you have the particulars about serial numbers and such... John D. may be able to tell you something about the history of those pieces if you have more info while waiting to get photos... Merry Christmas! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-19-2005, 01:03 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Whee, 3 Kriegs how fortunate are! Cost much more than a new car! Help, this attempt at a clever Christmas theme is contageous. Somebody stop me before the guys with the white coat show up! Great find Tom. You must have been a very good boy this year. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-20-2005, 04:18 PM	#16
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Pics-Pics-Pics . We want PICS!!! __________________ Dave

12-21-2005, 11:29 AM	#20
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Eggnog is better when it's a little chewy (and well fermented)... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

12-19-2005, 12:47 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Tom, three Kreigs!!! holy smokes, congrats! and Merry Christmas! Ed

12-19-2005, 01:24 PM	#5
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for the good wishes. Here are serial numbers S code - 8241 1936 - 6353 1940 - 10850

12-19-2005, 03:30 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Tom, Congrats! A question, bitte: Is your 1936 a "36" or "1936" chamber date? Also, your 1936 is within 400 numbers of mine and your 1940 is likewise within 400 of mine. Enjoy! Tom A

12-19-2005, 03:48 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	TomW, Your 1936 is recorded in Gibson. And a question, because all I know about Krieghoff comes from my copy of Gibson, isn't 8241 way high for an S-code gun? --Dwight

12-19-2005, 06:13 PM	#8
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Woah... gasp {:^O Guys, I am in total awe... And to think that I suffer anguish over a mismatched, santitized Bulgarian... I'm dumbfounded. I think I'll go sit in the corner with a big steaming mug full of STFU. Can't wait to see the pictures... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

12-19-2005, 11:15 PM	#9
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	Tom A: The 1936 has the full 1936 marking. On the S code. I will double check the serial number as I too thought that seemed late for the range. Will get back to you to verify the number.

12-19-2005, 11:43 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	For the Gundude, Steve, A cup of stfu is often a wonderful tonic that leads to knowledge. I learned this several decades ago. Congrats on your recognition of the same. :-) Kreigs are something of "tierra incognita" as little is documented outside of Randy Gibson's work, and it has errors. So, we are where Luger collectors were in the late '60s early '70's as far as Kreigies go. Much more research needs to be done. John D. has done some great research and has been of wonderful assistance to me in authentificating my piddling group of Kreigs. For Tom Whiteman, We need to get together and do a side by side disassembly of some of these sweet guns Tom A

12-20-2005, 02:35 AM	#11
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tom W, nice going. Hows about the mags? Do they match? My Christmas present to myself is a 1902 AE 'Fat Barrel' that I am still awaiting delivery of. So I understand your excitement. Big Norm

12-20-2005, 09:04 AM	#12
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	The S code is indeed outside the range at 8241. (in line with a 1937) and the barrell is not numbered, which I believe is an earlier feature. (1936). So, that maybe disappointing. The other two seem right as rain. Tom A. : I could bring to the next NAPCA conf. for your inspection? The magazine is #8044 on this one and it has luftwaffe L2 proof. Again, I will get pictures on these guns.

12-20-2005, 10:56 AM	#13
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Tom, Bring to Chantilly in Feb or Louisville or Chattanooga...any where that is convenient, just let me know and I'll bring mine.. Tom A

12-20-2005, 01:41 PM	#14
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	Chantilly it is... thanks. Do you want to bring camera for digital photos. Fine with me if you do.

12-20-2005, 04:04 PM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Yeah, can do. We can do a side by side photo spread Tom A

12-20-2005, 05:01 PM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	oh Tom (s), just send them to me, I will be glad to do a photo shoot for both of you guys! I promise, I'd try really hard not to mix parts up!

12-20-2005, 07:22 PM	#18
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Ed, Relax bud...just sit back and have an egg nog and relax... Tom

12-20-2005, 07:26 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I had to dump the egg-nog, it was fermenting