This little gun followed me home

Vlim · 04-16-2024, 04:04 PM

A well used Ottoman era Colt 1849 Pocket copy, marketed by the company J. Nikitits Erben in Constantinople.

The caliber is 10mm, about .40. The cylinder is quite overdinensioned compared to the Colt original.

The barrel model marking is funny, 'genuine Coll American Patent' (Vero Coll Americain Patent).

J. NIKITITS was a Hungerian jewish trader who set up shop in Constantinople (Instanbul today). After his death his wife took over until the youngest son was old enough to take over. The company was mentioned in documents from 1942, so it seems to have had a long life.

The company also acted as the importer for Mauser.

gunnertwo · 04-16-2024, 09:19 PM

Wonderful piece! Crimea War use?

G2

Vlim · 04-16-2024, 10:19 PM

If it could talk, it would probably ask for a lawyer.

Eugen · 04-17-2024, 05:23 AM

Vlim, neat gun, neater story. Congrats on that rare acquisition.

Karl · 04-17-2024, 08:47 AM

Great acquisition. I like the arrow indicating where the bullet comes out.

ithacaartist · 04-17-2024, 04:38 PM

Gerben, what regulations apply (or not) to a percussion/black powder pistol in your locale?

Vlim · 04-17-2024, 04:54 PM

The original ones are free to own at 18+.
Later reproductions, like the Italian ones, can only be owned on a gun permit.

Certain rimfires as well as pinfires are free as well.
.22 caliber rimfires need a permit.

big open · 04-17-2024, 08:47 PM

A neighbor of mine showed me a small frame black power revolver chambered in .36 caliber. It had a machined step in the lower frame much like the step in an 1860 Colt revolver. There was a corresponding step in the cylinder as well. The frame of the revolver appeared to be small like a .31 caliber copy. There was almost no finish remaining on the revolver overall (maybe 10 to 15% I'd say). The wooden grips were all there but had several bumps and scratches. I couldn't see any name on the piece. Has anyone in the forum seen something like this before ?

Vlim · 04-18-2024, 02:57 PM

Big open. This is what is called 'thread hijacking' and considered a bad practice. Either stay on topic or start your own thread.

big open · 04-18-2024, 03:07 PM

Vlim --- Sorry about my post.. I thought I was only contributing to a posting. It appears to me I'm unable to post anything in the forum without breaking some kind of rule. I guess I'd better refrain from posting anything for awhile and let the smoke clear.

spangy · 04-25-2024, 01:40 AM

Congratulations Gerben ... beautiful gun

04-16-2024, 04:04 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	This little gun followed me home A well used Ottoman era Colt 1849 Pocket copy, marketed by the company J. Nikitits Erben in Constantinople. The caliber is 10mm, about .40. The cylinder is quite overdinensioned compared to the Colt original. The barrel model marking is funny, 'genuine Coll American Patent' (Vero Coll Americain Patent). J. NIKITITS was a Hungerian jewish trader who set up shop in Constantinople (Instanbul today). After his death his wife took over until the youngest son was old enough to take over. The company was mentioned in documents from 1942, so it seems to have had a long life. The company also acted as the importer for Mauser. Attached Thumbnails

04-17-2024, 05:23 AM	#4
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 759 Thanks: 366 Thanked 594 Times in 313 Posts	Vlim, neat gun, neater story. Congrats on that rare acquisition. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

04-17-2024, 04:38 PM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,008 Thanked 2,477 Times in 1,320 Posts	Gerben, what regulations apply (or not) to a percussion/black powder pistol in your locale? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

04-25-2024, 01:40 AM	#11
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	Congratulations Gerben ... beautiful gun __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

04-16-2024, 09:19 PM	#2
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 605 Thanks: 803 Thanked 909 Times in 351 Posts	Wonderful piece! Crimea War use? G2

04-16-2024, 10:19 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	If it could talk, it would probably ask for a lawyer.

04-17-2024, 08:47 AM	#5
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 239 Times in 111 Posts	Great acquisition. I like the arrow indicating where the bullet comes out.

04-17-2024, 04:54 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	The original ones are free to own at 18+. Later reproductions, like the Italian ones, can only be owned on a gun permit. Certain rimfires as well as pinfires are free as well. .22 caliber rimfires need a permit.

04-17-2024, 08:47 PM	#8
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	A neighbor of mine showed me a small frame black power revolver chambered in .36 caliber. It had a machined step in the lower frame much like the step in an 1860 Colt revolver. There was a corresponding step in the cylinder as well. The frame of the revolver appeared to be small like a .31 caliber copy. There was almost no finish remaining on the revolver overall (maybe 10 to 15% I'd say). The wooden grips were all there but had several bumps and scratches. I couldn't see any name on the piece. Has anyone in the forum seen something like this before ?

04-18-2024, 02:57 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Big open. This is what is called 'thread hijacking' and considered a bad practice. Either stay on topic or start your own thread.

04-18-2024, 03:07 PM	#10
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	Vlim --- Sorry about my post.. I thought I was only contributing to a posting. It appears to me I'm unable to post anything in the forum without breaking some kind of rule. I guess I'd better refrain from posting anything for awhile and let the smoke clear.