Need Info

bambam · 03-03-2009, 03:06 PM

Looking for some info on this luger trying to find year and anything else i can about it. had this luger about 35 years now trying to get info on it. Ser num. 180xx american eagle. condition looks to be 90-95%

Edward Tinker · 03-03-2009, 05:12 PM

bob, welcome to the forum,
It is what is called a model 1900, it has an ideal stock and grips and those are worth a grand or more by themselves.

Dwight collects info on early lugers, there is a huge database here on the forum; you can find it by looking in the archive area. He would like full serial number, any proof marks on it, caliber, etc.

database:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=16979

Info on early lugers: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...780#post129780

Is the area under the safety blued or in the white?

No offense, but it might be a bit too nice looking for a gun that is 100 years old. Maybe some close ups of the top, right side, etc?

Ed

alvin · 03-03-2009, 05:50 PM

Bob -- How much this rig cost you 35 years ago? TIA

====

I saw a smiliar one in a gun show recently. Carried by a C&R dealer. The rig is very expansive nowadays, tag price $9k (!) if I remembered correctly.

ken d · 03-03-2009, 06:05 PM

Bob:

The mags may also be valuable . Can you provide pictures of the bottoms?

Ken D

Ron Wood · 03-03-2009, 06:23 PM

Your Ideal stock/holster is in much better than average condition. The leather on most examples is pretty tired. It obviously has been well cared for, and apparently the Luger also as it looks to be in superior condition.
The Ideal holster and grips were originally manufactured in Ohio and operations later moved to California. It was patented in 1904, but all of the examples I have seen are marked "Patents Pending". Surviving examples are fairly scarce and in the conditon of yours will command a price well in excess of $2000.

abukafura · 03-03-2009, 07:02 PM

Mags look like they are concentric circle Navy mags. Nice rig!!!!

bambam · 03-04-2009, 08:52 AM

heres the thing firearm was given to my dad about 35 years ago by someone he cut grass for it was in a box in pieces it had a box of 7.65 cart. with it which he fired through pistol but the mags. are wooden bottom 9mm he fired 7.65 one round at a time. here are more pics sorry they are a little out of focus ser#18015

Edward Tinker · 03-04-2009, 09:44 AM

Not that you should shoot this, but the mags don't matter, the 9mm and the 7.65mm (30 luger) use the same magazine.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 03-05-2009, 10:40 AM

BB, Very nice example of a late production M1900 AE luger. For anyone needing similar Ideal GRIPS, I have some listed in the For Sale section. Sorry no stocks for sale. TH

bambam · 03-06-2009, 08:47 AM

Thanks for all the replies they have been very informative does anyone know where to go to get accurate appraisel of this pistol.
Bambam

Mike B · 03-06-2009, 10:07 AM

Bob,
That is a very nice Luger and very desirable. Very good to know it is in good hands where it will receive proper care and preservation. Here is a link to: "Luger Appraisal/Authentication Service" on Simpson's site.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/luger_appr...c5c8bbb5d5b372

Mauser720 · 03-06-2009, 10:45 AM

bambam -

Since you are asking for advice and/or opinions, I am going to give you mine. This is a very valuable gun with the accessories that go with it. I would not be in a big rush to sell it, until you find out a lot more about it, as you are now doing. I think it helps to think of "value" in terms of wholesale and retail value. Naturally, collectors will want to try to purchase a high end collectable such as this at a lower price. And naturally a dealer, such as Simpson Ltd. will want to charge a higher or retail price when they sell it, and a lower retail price when they buy it. The challenge is to find out what these low and high prices are for something like this. And the higher the value, the fewer people there will be who will be able to actually afford it, or who will be willing to pay that higher or retail price. In the end it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. But I think all of us will tell you that it is a very valuable rig.

Mauser720 - Ron

abukafura · 03-06-2009, 12:13 PM

I also agree with MaUSER 720. I paid over $5000 for my AE Model 1900 rig with Ideal grips about 2 years ago. I thought that was a good deal. Unless you need the money OR have no interest in this gun, keep it....it is a very nice set, as people here on the site have told you. If you do decide to sell it, post it here on the website first and let knowledgeable collectors have a chance at it. If you sell it to a retailer (Simpson, etc), yu will NOT be getting its true value. If it was mine, I would just keep it and watch the value increase.

03-03-2009, 05:12 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	bob, welcome to the forum, It is what is called a model 1900, it has an ideal stock and grips and those are worth a grand or more by themselves. Dwight collects info on early lugers, there is a huge database here on the forum; you can find it by looking in the archive area. He would like full serial number, any proof marks on it, caliber, etc. database: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=16979 Info on early lugers: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...780#post129780 Is the area under the safety blued or in the white? No offense, but it might be a bit too nice looking for a gun that is 100 years old. Maybe some close ups of the top, right side, etc? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-03-2009, 06:23 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Your Ideal stock/holster is in much better than average condition. The leather on most examples is pretty tired. It obviously has been well cared for, and apparently the Luger also as it looks to be in superior condition. The Ideal holster and grips were originally manufactured in Ohio and operations later moved to California. It was patented in 1904, but all of the examples I have seen are marked "Patents Pending". Surviving examples are fairly scarce and in the conditon of yours will command a price well in excess of $2000. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-04-2009, 08:52 AM	#7
bambam New User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	info heres the thing firearm was given to my dad about 35 years ago by someone he cut grass for it was in a box in pieces it had a box of 7.65 cart. with it which he fired through pistol but the mags. are wooden bottom 9mm he fired 7.65 one round at a time. here are more pics sorry they are a little out of focus ser#18015 Attached Thumbnails

03-04-2009, 09:44 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Not that you should shoot this, but the mags don't matter, the 9mm and the 7.65mm (30 luger) use the same magazine. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-05-2009, 10:40 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	BB, Very nice example of a late production M1900 AE luger. For anyone needing similar Ideal GRIPS, I have some listed in the For Sale section. Sorry no stocks for sale. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-03-2009, 03:06 PM	#1
bambam New User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need Info Looking for some info on this luger trying to find year and anything else i can about it. had this luger about 35 years now trying to get info on it. Ser num. 180xx american eagle. condition looks to be 90-95% Attached Thumbnails

03-03-2009, 05:50 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Bob -- How much this rig cost you 35 years ago? TIA ==== I saw a smiliar one in a gun show recently. Carried by a C&R dealer. The rig is very expansive nowadays, tag price $9k (!) if I remembered correctly.

03-03-2009, 06:05 PM	#4
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Bob: The mags may also be valuable . Can you provide pictures of the bottoms? Ken D

03-03-2009, 07:02 PM	#6
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Mags look like they are concentric circle Navy mags. Nice rig!!!!

03-06-2009, 08:47 AM	#10
bambam New User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the replies they have been very informative does anyone know where to go to get accurate appraisel of this pistol. Bambam

03-06-2009, 10:07 AM	#11
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Bob, That is a very nice Luger and very desirable. Very good to know it is in good hands where it will receive proper care and preservation. Here is a link to: "Luger Appraisal/Authentication Service" on Simpson's site. http://www.simpsonltd.com/luger_appr...c5c8bbb5d5b372

03-06-2009, 10:45 AM	#12
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	bambam - Since you are asking for advice and/or opinions, I am going to give you mine. This is a very valuable gun with the accessories that go with it. I would not be in a big rush to sell it, until you find out a lot more about it, as you are now doing. I think it helps to think of "value" in terms of wholesale and retail value. Naturally, collectors will want to try to purchase a high end collectable such as this at a lower price. And naturally a dealer, such as Simpson Ltd. will want to charge a higher or retail price when they sell it, and a lower retail price when they buy it. The challenge is to find out what these low and high prices are for something like this. And the higher the value, the fewer people there will be who will be able to actually afford it, or who will be willing to pay that higher or retail price. In the end it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. But I think all of us will tell you that it is a very valuable rig. Mauser720 - Ron

03-06-2009, 12:13 PM	#13
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	I also agree with MaUSER 720. I paid over $5000 for my AE Model 1900 rig with Ideal grips about 2 years ago. I thought that was a good deal. Unless you need the money OR have no interest in this gun, keep it....it is a very nice set, as people here on the site have told you. If you do decide to sell it, post it here on the website first and let knowledgeable collectors have a chance at it. If you sell it to a retailer (Simpson, etc), yu will NOT be getting its true value. If it was mine, I would just keep it and watch the value increase.