B/90 tool with Krieghoff proof

drbuster · 03-25-2012, 01:46 PM

Somehow a K or G date luger got diverted to the Luftwaffe? Or could it have been with a KU Mauser luger?

FNorm · 03-26-2012, 08:11 PM

Interesting....

lugerholsterrepair · 03-26-2012, 08:31 PM

I don't like the tool for a handful of reasons but first and foremost is I think the double proof is an unnecessary redundancy that is improbable at best. Tools, gun parts, leather items etc were approved by an inspector and passed..accepted. We all know this..then why would any item have to be tested, inspected and approved twice? It just seems to fall out of the natural order of things.
Not to be redundant..but why would a tool that is marked B/90 need a Luftwaffe Eagle even if it WAS re issued to the Luftwaffe? You don't see holsters double marked with Luft Eagles. A tool is an insignificant item..once proofed and inspected..not worthy of another glance to the end user. It's a tool it's in it's pouch it will function.
I could go on with other things I see on this tool but I can't explain away the markings. I am no tool expert but I would be very interested to hear what Klaus or David have to say about this. That and I have never seen a double proofed tool like it. Seems that if this was the norm you would have seen some others in 20 years of looking.

drbuster · 03-26-2012, 09:07 PM

Jerry brings up unprovable queries about a tool that came direct from Norway by the curator of their firearms museum who tried to "rescue" lugers about to be destroyed by the Norwegian government. There were many Krieghoff lugers that were saved and sold to collectors. This tool came right from the huge stash of German surrendered items.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-26-2012, 09:33 PM

Doc, The tool lives or dies on it's own..I never buy the story.

It may be good..I said I have a half dozen reasons I don't think it is but I am sure others that know more about it will shine some light on this.

I am not 100% sure but the tool looks Norwegian... and if that's what it is... it puts the last nail in the coffin.

klaus 3338 · 03-27-2012, 01:30 AM

If the tool came from Norway than it was sold by my old friend Martinsen.
This tool seems to be a late Krieghoff and the B/90 seems to be stamped in our days.
Some good photos of the blade, the B/90 stamp and from the top would bring light in the mystery.

drbuster · 03-27-2012, 10:27 PM

Klaus, you are indeed correct, the tool did come from Jan Erik Martinsen. He has visited here several times. His now late sister lived nearby. He is a close friend of Mike Krause's and has supplied him a great deal of luger stuff. I will take more photos of the tool in a few days when time permits.

klaus 3338 · 03-28-2012, 12:59 AM

Say Jack a big Hello from me!

03-25-2012, 01:46 PM	#1
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03-26-2012, 08:31 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	I don't like the tool for a handful of reasons but first and foremost is I think the double proof is an unnecessary redundancy that is improbable at best. Tools, gun parts, leather items etc were approved by an inspector and passed..accepted. We all know this..then why would any item have to be tested, inspected and approved twice? It just seems to fall out of the natural order of things. Not to be redundant..but why would a tool that is marked B/90 need a Luftwaffe Eagle even if it WAS re issued to the Luftwaffe? You don't see holsters double marked with Luft Eagles. A tool is an insignificant item..once proofed and inspected..not worthy of another glance to the end user. It's a tool it's in it's pouch it will function. I could go on with other things I see on this tool but I can't explain away the markings. I am no tool expert but I would be very interested to hear what Klaus or David have to say about this. That and I have never seen a double proofed tool like it. Seems that if this was the norm you would have seen some others in 20 years of looking. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-26-2012, 09:33 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	Doc, The tool lives or dies on it's own..I never buy the story. It may be good..I said I have a half dozen reasons I don't think it is but I am sure others that know more about it will shine some light on this. I am not 100% sure but the tool looks Norwegian... and if that's what it is... it puts the last nail in the coffin. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-26-2012, 08:11 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Interesting....

03-26-2012, 09:07 PM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Jerry brings up unprovable queries about a tool that came direct from Norway by the curator of their firearms museum who tried to "rescue" lugers about to be destroyed by the Norwegian government. There were many Krieghoff lugers that were saved and sold to collectors. This tool came right from the huge stash of German surrendered items.

03-27-2012, 01:30 AM	#6
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	If the tool came from Norway than it was sold by my old friend Martinsen. This tool seems to be a late Krieghoff and the B/90 seems to be stamped in our days. Some good photos of the blade, the B/90 stamp and from the top would bring light in the mystery.

03-27-2012, 10:27 PM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Klaus, you are indeed correct, the tool did come from Jan Erik Martinsen. He has visited here several times. His now late sister lived nearby. He is a close friend of Mike Krause's and has supplied him a great deal of luger stuff. I will take more photos of the tool in a few days when time permits.

03-28-2012, 12:59 AM	#8
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Say Jack a big Hello from me!