unit Mark 1920

[sej-gun]

Hi

Can you please explain the following unit mark on the grip strap on my DWM
Double date, 1920-1920.

â??S.Kg.4.63.1141.â?�


the-- .4.63.--has been over stamped whit a X.

Thanks from
Sej-gun.

[Ron Smith]

Jes,

Schutzenpolizei K�¶nig 4th district. weapon # 63. X'd out and weapon #1141 added.

Ron

[sej-gun]

Ron
Thanks very much!!
regards
Jes

[Don M]

Jes,

Since Ron has some difficulties with spelling , I'll add my two cents:

These marks are from the Schutzpolizei (Large city uniformed police) of the K�¶nigsberg district of the Prussian Province of East Prussia. There are actually two marks. The first is S.Kg.4.63 and represents weapon no. 63 of the 4th Hundertschaft (Company) within this district. This mark is in accordance with marking orders issued in 1922. The second mark is S.Kg.1141. This is in accordance with orders issued in 1932 that eliminated the designation of the Hundertschaft.

I am building a database of these marks and would appreciate knowing the serial number of this pistol, including letter suffix, if any. Thanks very much.

[sej-gun]

Hi Don.
Thanks for the answer.
Is it correct that the Luger was started into the army, and then came into the Polizei in 1922, and got a new number in 1932, after that the Luger must have entered the army again, and come up to Denmark (1940-45). It got Police rework proof marks, on the Receiver, right side. Left side and front of frame: #1699 n, and under the n is there a small letter, maybe an e ??. (The same on the barrel)
Thanks from
Jes.

[Ron Smith]

Don,

Thanks for correcting me. I was at work and couldn't remember if it was K�¶nig or K�¶nigsberg. After I entered it I was wondering....

I know, I know, I said that I would leave police markings alone, but I have to taper off. Cold turkey just doesn't suit me.

Ron

[Ron Wood]

How about Wild Turkey?

[Ron Smith]

Well, Well, we're talkin' a whole different set of circumstances there. Elk season is rapidly approaching. And everybody knows you can't properly set up an Elk camp without the proper preparation, and a touch of anti-freeze.

Lord only knows what lays in wait for the unwarey, and uninsulated Elk hunter.

[policeluger]

I'll find out Nov. 5th in Colorado, if I get to cold I'm sure the Tinker's will take me in, now if I can get Ed to give me a foot rub?

[Edward Tinker]

sorry, don't give those nasty foot rubs!

[Herb]

Hey Howard, I went up to Mount Rushmore about two weeks ago and on the way back I picked up a copy of the 2005 Northwest Colorado Hunting Guide in Craig CO. at a restaurant. It's chocked full of goodies about Colorado hunting, areas, harvest histories, outlooks, outfitters, lots of things. Drop me a PM with your addy and it's yours if you want it.

[policeluger]

Thanks Herb, ashamed to say I hired out a big time guide, if I can get my big rump up the mountians, all I got to do is pull the trigger.....sad when you get old, but thanks for the offer....

[Edward Tinker]

Terry says she'd love to see you guys, but she might be hesitant if ya'll drive up with an Elk strapped across the hood! Kind'a against the nazi housing association where we live!


Ed

[Don M]

Jes,

The suffix(es) for the serial number are puzzling. A 1920/1920 double-dated DWM should be from DWM's 1920 production for military & police. The suffix should be none, a or b. I'm not sure I understand the reworking in Denmark. I wonder if this may have originally had no suffix and the other letters were added later. I really don't know. Could we see a photo of the markings on the bottom of the barrel?

I forgot to ask if this pistol has or had sear and/or magazine safeties.

[policeluger]

I'll get in touch Ed, as time gets closer....on the way there, there will no elk across the hood as I will be on my way to hunt, or if I catch ya on the way home, it will be cut up and wrapped, in my ice chest.....however I hope to have a nice set of horns that will not fit under the bed cover.....

[sej-gun]

Don
I hope this is better.
There is a "n" and a "b" ??.
jes

[Don M]

Jes,

This pistol has some strange markings! The "b" is consistent with a 1920-dated DWM but I would have expected it to be where the "n" is below the "1699." Is the mark below the "n" on the front of the frame possibly a "b"? It is possible that some part of the letter is missing because of the curvature of the frame.

I would be interested in seeing a photo of the dates on the top of the chamber.

[sej-gun]

Hi Don
Here is a photo of the camber marks, they are as you see not identical ??.
Could it be, that this gun, first was a commercial gun, and after this, it went to the Police ??. I think that the mark under the "n" on front of the frame is a "b", same as on the barrel.
Regards Jes

[Ron Smith]

Jes , the lower 1920 is the year of manufacture. The upper is the Weimar property stamp.

The proofs/acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver should be a combination or grouping of the following.








Taken from Jan Still's Weimar Lugers.

[Don M]

Jes,

In addition to the proof mark information requested by Ron, it will help knowing if this gun has or had sear and/or magazine safeties. If you are not familiar with these devices, the photo below should help. The upper arrow points to the sear safety and the lower arrow to the magazine safety. If you see a slot cut in the frame as in the photo, it will confirm that there was a magazine safety installed and you will not need to remove the grip. A good photo of the left side of the gun, taken from a slightly downward angle would allow us to judge, as well.