Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 - Page 3

Daniel · 01-14-2005, 11:19 AM

Here's mine,

1937 S/N 2604 v DE63,DE63,MTP
1937 S/N 9512 y SE63,SE63,MTP
1937 S/N 6805 y SE63,DE63,MTP
1938 S/N 3235 SE63,SE63,MTP ( upper only )

Best of luck, Daniel

Jan C Still · 01-14-2005, 12:29 PM

Daniel
Thanks for the information. Table updated
Jan

max2cam · 01-16-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jan C. Still
maxcam
Thanks for the data. As it is not certain if frame and receiver match, I will have to pass.

Jan

Jan,

Actually the frame and 1938-dated receiver DO match. The number 7692 appears on the left side of the receiver just above the thumb latch. The same number 7692 also appears on the front of the frame below the barrel. There is no letter with either number. Neither number is struck over or ground off. Both pieces show field use.

The sideplate, toggle and toggle-link are the mismatched parts: Toggle link is marked "S/42" BUT with a Fraktur style "S" which I take to be a 1934 part. The toggle & link assembly appear to be a brand-new condition unit based on their identical color and like-new satiny finish.

Can you tell me this about my gun: Because the mismatched Mauser coded toggle-assembly appears to be a 1934(?) part and NOT original to the 1938 receiver and frame, could the 1938 dated receiver and frame be any other manufacturer BESIDES Mauser?

If so, what other manufacturer could such a 1938-dated Luger with no other marking outside of proof stamps be?

Thanks!

Jan C Still · 01-16-2005, 11:54 PM

max2cam
Thanks for the information.

Your 1938 dated Luger is a partly mismatched Vopo rework(these Lugers are sometimes re-manufactured from mismatched parts). My experience with reworks is that mismatched parts can be made to match. Sometimes the serial number on the front of the frame will be machined off and matched by applying newly stamped letters. Sometimes such a reworked/reserialed frame can be difficult to detect. Such an example is shown on page 114 of Weimar Lugers.

The research at hand concerns the acceptance stamps and serial numbers found on 1937 and 1938 dated Lugers applied during the manufacturing/proofing process. In my opinion, it is best to leave out reworked Lugers, to avoid possible mistakes.
Jan

max2cam · 01-18-2005, 10:35 AM

Jan,

You know your stuff!

I went back and dismantled my Luger and took a closer look at the number on the frame. Sure enough, it does look ground off there and with a magnifying glass I can detect 2 faint numbers behind the "7692." So this Luger appears to be more of parts gun than I thought.

Am I correct to think the Fraktur "S" S/42 toggle assembly makes that a 1934-only part?

The stamping on the receiver looks original, but who knows!

Yes, a VOPO gun. From somebody elses post I think it has the Neu Brandenburg VOPO sunburst marking and district number. Also shows the capture "X".

This gun must have had an interesting history -- or "guns" in this instance.

Thanks!

Jamka · 02-16-2005, 12:58 PM

Jan,

This is a late reaction, but my job kept me away from my Luger for more then a full month...

Before I go to the basement with a magnifying glass and a torch, I would like to know if you want data from all the 1937 dated Lugers. Apart from 2 S/42 I also have:
Krieghoff (1),
Latvian contract v suffix (5)
Commercial (2) v suffix.

The 4 1938 dated I have are all S/42 stamped.

As soon as you tell me what to look for, and what not, I will do the job and let you know the results shortly.

Best regards,

trigger643 · 02-26-2005, 06:09 PM

cleaning out my archieve: 1938 S/42 SE/83 SE/63, two matching SE/63 mags. SER# 6526 t, have pictures, but sold on GB 2/04

minigun · 03-16-2005, 12:01 AM

Jan,
All matching 1937 S/42 Sn: 3997 (suffix is either a "Z" or "Y"-there was a thread with this debate a few months ago on my Luger where most think it is a "Z". Due to the gothic script, it's hard to read).

-Straight Wing 63
-Drooped Wing 63
-(next bird is the typical one: like John Sabato's '37 S/42 sn:8091a MTP????)

Jan C Still · 03-16-2005, 12:12 PM

minigun
Thanks for the information. Table updated.
trigger
The "t" sn range may be in error. Please check.
Thanks
Jan

Shadowlord · 06-14-2005, 08:37 PM

1937 S/42, sn 671 s, DE/63 DE/63 MTP

wlyon · 06-14-2005, 11:57 PM

Jan 1937 S-42 Serial number 1789q DE 63 DE 63 MTP Straw Bill LYON

Jan C Still · 06-17-2005, 12:12 PM

Shadowlord and Bill
Thanks for the information. Table updated.
Jan

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 12:14 PM

1938 SN 7358 (with Y or X above), ? about SE numbers due to heavy reblue, Alu mag has + and droop eagle over 63

Hoyt Weathers
Trinity, Alabama

Hugh · 09-08-2005, 04:04 PM

1937 S42 #2460 SE63 SE63 (small) MTP

Nomadr · 08-12-2006, 09:41 AM

hello Jan,
Just acquired... with bring back papers
1937 S/42 6902s DE/63 DE/63 MTP
frame bump
small parts blued
matching w/ matching grips
non matching mag. type 3 8753p

Aaron · 08-12-2006, 04:07 PM

Happy and excited to add my latest 98% rig:
1938 S/42 s/n 3797m
SE/83 SE 63 MTP
Two matching mags, one plain and one +, both SE/83
Matching grips
Superb black Karl Barth, Waldbrol holster, WaA 145, dated 1938
SE/63 loading tool

Dave Sanders · 08-19-2006, 01:24 AM

I just noticed or took note of this. Here are my additions.

1937 s/42 Navy DE/63 9881 r N 2354
1938 s/42 SE63 4694 f

I'm sorry to say I don't know what the MTP is or if they have it.

Dave

zinfull · 08-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Just picked up.
1937 s/42 9553x DE/63 DE/63 MTP
one matching mag
frame bump
small parts blued

jerry

Hoyt Weathers · 10-17-2006, 10:25 PM

1938 S/42, SN 7358c, 7358 (no c )on bottom of barrel, no barrel gauge #, SE83, S63, + a round stamp I can't make out.

Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt Weathers · 10-17-2006, 10:37 PM

What does a Mid Test proof look like and where is it located on the 1938 S/42?

Hoyt Weathers

02-16-2005, 12:58 PM	#6
Jamka RIP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Antwerp Belgium Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Jan, This is a late reaction, but my job kept me away from my Luger for more then a full month... Before I go to the basement with a magnifying glass and a torch, I would like to know if you want data from all the 1937 dated Lugers. Apart from 2 S/42 I also have: Krieghoff (1), Latvian contract v suffix (5) Commercial (2) v suffix. The 4 1938 dated I have are all S/42 stamped. As soon as you tell me what to look for, and what not, I will do the job and let you know the results shortly. Best regards, __________________ Joop

02-26-2005, 06:09 PM	#7
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	cleaning out my archieve: 1938 S/42 SE/83 SE/63, two matching SE/63 mags. SER# 6526 t, have pictures, but sold on GB 2/04 __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

06-14-2005, 11:57 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Jan 1937 S-42 Serial number 1789q DE 63 DE 63 MTP Straw Bill LYON __________________ Bill Lyon

08-01-2005, 12:14 PM	#13
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 SN 7358 (with Y or X above), ? about SE numbers due to heavy reblue, Alu mag has + and droop eagle over 63 Hoyt Weathers Trinity, Alabama __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

09-08-2005, 04:04 PM	#14
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	1937 S42 #2460 SE63 SE63 (small) MTP __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-14-2005, 11:19 AM	#1
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's mine, 1937 S/N 2604 v DE63,DE63,MTP 1937 S/N 9512 y SE63,SE63,MTP 1937 S/N 6805 y SE63,DE63,MTP 1938 S/N 3235 SE63,SE63,MTP ( upper only ) Best of luck, Daniel

01-14-2005, 12:29 PM	#2
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Daniel Thanks for the information. Table updated Jan

01-16-2005, 11:54 PM	#4
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	max2cam Thanks for the information. Your 1938 dated Luger is a partly mismatched Vopo rework(these Lugers are sometimes re-manufactured from mismatched parts). My experience with reworks is that mismatched parts can be made to match. Sometimes the serial number on the front of the frame will be machined off and matched by applying newly stamped letters. Sometimes such a reworked/reserialed frame can be difficult to detect. Such an example is shown on page 114 of Weimar Lugers. The research at hand concerns the acceptance stamps and serial numbers found on 1937 and 1938 dated Lugers applied during the manufacturing/proofing process. In my opinion, it is best to leave out reworked Lugers, to avoid possible mistakes. Jan

01-18-2005, 10:35 AM	#5
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jan, You know your stuff! I went back and dismantled my Luger and took a closer look at the number on the frame. Sure enough, it does look ground off there and with a magnifying glass I can detect 2 faint numbers behind the "7692." So this Luger appears to be more of parts gun than I thought. Am I correct to think the Fraktur "S" S/42 toggle assembly makes that a 1934-only part? The stamping on the receiver looks original, but who knows! Yes, a VOPO gun. From somebody elses post I think it has the Neu Brandenburg VOPO sunburst marking and district number. Also shows the capture "X". This gun must have had an interesting history -- or "guns" in this instance. Thanks!

03-16-2005, 12:01 AM	#8
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Jan, All matching 1937 S/42 Sn: 3997 (suffix is either a "Z" or "Y"-there was a thread with this debate a few months ago on my Luger where most think it is a "Z". Due to the gothic script, it's hard to read). -Straight Wing 63 -Drooped Wing 63 -(next bird is the typical one: like John Sabato's '37 S/42 sn:8091a MTP????)

03-16-2005, 12:12 PM	#9
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	minigun Thanks for the information. Table updated. trigger The "t" sn range may be in error. Please check. Thanks Jan

06-14-2005, 08:37 PM	#10
Shadowlord New User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Winder, GA Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1937 S/42, sn 671 s, DE/63 DE/63 MTP

06-17-2005, 12:12 PM	#12
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Shadowlord and Bill Thanks for the information. Table updated. Jan

08-12-2006, 09:41 AM	#15
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	hello Jan, Just acquired... with bring back papers 1937 S/42 6902s DE/63 DE/63 MTP frame bump small parts blued matching w/ matching grips non matching mag. type 3 8753p

08-12-2006, 04:07 PM	#16
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Happy and excited to add my latest 98% rig: 1938 S/42 s/n 3797m SE/83 SE 63 MTP Two matching mags, one plain and one +, both SE/83 Matching grips Superb black Karl Barth, Waldbrol holster, WaA 145, dated 1938 SE/63 loading tool

08-19-2006, 01:24 AM	#17
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 284 Thanks: 28 Thanked 44 Times in 23 Posts	1937 navy and 38 info I just noticed or took note of this. Here are my additions. 1937 s/42 Navy DE/63 9881 r N 2354 1938 s/42 SE63 4694 f I'm sorry to say I don't know what the MTP is or if they have it. Dave

08-19-2006, 01:06 PM	#18
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 244 Thanks: 5 Thanked 34 Times in 17 Posts	Just picked up. 1937 s/42 9553x DE/63 DE/63 MTP one matching mag frame bump small parts blued jerry

10-17-2006, 10:25 PM	#19
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 S/42, SN 7358c, 7358 (no c )on bottom of barrel, no barrel gauge #, SE83, S63, + a round stamp I can't make out. Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

10-17-2006, 10:37 PM	#20
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mid Test Proof ? What does a Mid Test proof look like and where is it located on the 1938 S/42? Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)