Regarding Concentric Circled On Navy Mags - Page 3

Eugen · 05-27-2016, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I love them all!!

I agee. I am so new to this that I enjoy studying all the varieties and there differences. I can't even wrap my head around the "whys", yet. LOL

cirelaw · 05-27-2016, 07:32 PM

Lugers their owners and admirers are in love and protect their sacred luger affair!!!

Dwight Gruber · 05-28-2016, 05:32 AM

Please see Görtz & Sturgess, the red edition, p. 1,281.

--Dwight

kurusu · 05-28-2016, 10:02 AM

Just to shed a light in the Swiss affair (pun intended). Is there a Swiss member on this forum that has some insight on this matter that would like to share?

Sergio Natali · 05-28-2016, 10:50 AM

All this passionate arguing about the bottom of a mag it's interesting and a bit amusing at the same time!
I couldn't even imagine anything like this in a GLOCK forum...

cirelaw · 05-28-2016, 11:02 AM

Discussions are always healthy! Thats why we are here!

lugerholsterrepair · 05-28-2016, 11:14 AM

I couldn't even imagine GOING TO a GLOCK forum...

Sergio Natali · 05-28-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I couldn't even imagine GOING TO a GLOCK forum...

It was a joke, just to underline the differences one can find between one forum and another.

Pistol · 05-28-2016, 02:55 PM

Now glock is one ugly gun.

Are non-concentric rarer than concentric? What is the going price for either in good condition?

DonVoigt · 05-28-2016, 04:08 PM

I read the Sturgess reference, thanks Dwight.
I'd read the magazine chapter before too, but there is so much to remember.

What they said is that the mags with discs were made by DWM at Swiss request, so that it would be readily apparent that a magazine was inserted.

This would only be of interest to a range officer looking down a line of shooters, IMO.
In use a touch is sufficient.

Likewise, a dab of white or silver paint in a "normal" magazine would serve the same purpose.

When the Swiss set up and began their "own" production, they had decided to eliminate the disc, and did not produce magazines with the metal disc. Quite likely because it was not necessary in the first place, and did cost significantly more to produce.

More decorative than utilitarian, JMHO!

cirelaw · 05-28-2016, 04:11 PM

Like Divorce Court~~

Chickenthief · 05-03-2017, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I read the Sturgess reference, thanks Dwight.
I'd read the magazine chapter before too, but there is so much to remember.

What they said is that the mags with discs were made by DWM at Swiss request, so that it would be readily apparent that a magazine was inserted.

This would only be of interest to a range officer looking down a line of shooters, IMO.
In use a touch is sufficient.

Likewise, a dab of white or silver paint in a "normal" magazine would serve the same purpose.

When the Swiss set up and began their "own" production, they had decided to eliminate the disc, and did not produce magazines with the metal disc. Quite likely because it was not necessary in the first place, and did cost significantly more to produce.

More decorative than utilitarian, JMHO!

And here is a Swiss made mag with a dullop of white paint.

cirelaw · 05-03-2017, 06:08 PM

I don't believe Charles would mind!

m1903a3 · 05-03-2017, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Please see Görtz & Sturgess, the red edition, p. 1,281.

--Dwight

For the benefit of those who don't have the books:

cirelaw · 05-03-2017, 06:46 PM

Very Nice Of You!

Vlim · 05-04-2017, 09:15 AM

There is also the old story that the concentric circles were there to distinguish between 9mm and .30 luger magazines (spring tension difference).

DonVoigt · 05-04-2017, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

There is also the old story that the concentric circles were there to distinguish between 9mm and .30 luger magazines (spring tension difference).

Vilm,
is/was there really a difference?
Or does this date to the 1900 model with the flat main spring vs.
later models with the coil spring?

Is/was the .30 stronger or weaker?

Many times when asked "we" say there is no difference in a 9 or .30/7,65 mag; and they are "interchangeable".

cirelaw · 05-04-2017, 10:58 AM

Do snail drums and loaders work the same useing 7.65mm as well as 9mm?What was the first production 9mm luger?

Chickenthief · 05-04-2017, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Vilm,
is/was there really a difference?
Or does this date to the 1900 model with the flat main spring vs.
later models with the coil spring?

Is/was the .30 stronger or weaker?

Many times when asked "we" say there is no difference in a 9 or .30/7,65 mag; and they are "interchangeable".

I think it is magazine spring tension, but!

Why did the marine have to teel 9mm mags from 7.65mm mags?
The Germans didnt adopt the 7.65mm in the first place and the marine only had mags for the 9mm.

Vlim · 05-04-2017, 11:22 AM

There is a 1904 drawing of the coil spring 9mm luger with the concentric circles. Perhaps the navy simply followed the drawing. Makes one think if the rings are actually stylized coils

In East Germany the circles made a comeback. This time on the grips.

05-28-2016, 10:50 AM	#45
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05-28-2016, 11:14 AM	#47
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05-28-2016, 04:08 PM	#50
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I read the Sturgess reference, thanks Dwight. I'd read the magazine chapter before too, but there is so much to remember. What they said is that the mags with discs were made by DWM at Swiss request, so that it would be readily apparent that a magazine was inserted. This would only be of interest to a range officer looking down a line of shooters, IMO. In use a touch is sufficient. Likewise, a dab of white or silver paint in a "normal" magazine would serve the same purpose. When the Swiss set up and began their "own" production, they had decided to eliminate the disc, and did not produce magazines with the metal disc. Quite likely because it was not necessary in the first place, and did cost significantly more to produce. More decorative than utilitarian, JMHO! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Lugers their owners and admirers are in love and protect their sacred luger affair!!!

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Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Please see Görtz & Sturgess, the red edition, p. 1,281. --Dwight

05-28-2016, 10:02 AM	#44
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Just to shed a light in the Swiss affair (pun intended). Is there a Swiss member on this forum that has some insight on this matter that would like to share?

05-28-2016, 11:02 AM	#46
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Discussions are always healthy! Thats why we are here!

05-28-2016, 02:55 PM	#49
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Now glock is one ugly gun. Are non-concentric rarer than concentric? What is the going price for either in good condition?

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Like Divorce Court~~

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Very Nice Of You!

05-04-2017, 09:15 AM	#56
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	There is also the old story that the concentric circles were there to distinguish between 9mm and .30 luger magazines (spring tension difference).

05-04-2017, 10:58 AM	#58
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Do snail drums and loaders work the same useing 7.65mm as well as 9mm?What was the first production 9mm luger?

05-04-2017, 11:22 AM	#60
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	There is a 1904 drawing of the coil spring 9mm luger with the concentric circles. Perhaps the navy simply followed the drawing. Makes one think if the rings are actually stylized coils In East Germany the circles made a comeback. This time on the grips.