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THERE IS AN ADDITION FOR YOUR CATALOG:
Alphabet Commercial (previously known as 1920 Commercial) and 29 DWM (previously known as DWM/Mauser Sneak) *serial number, with letter suffix: 4272 n *proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? Cc/U?: YES. Crown over N *right receiver proofs? NO *blank toggle? *Caliber .30 or 9mm?: .30 *Export marked? Not Marked. ...GERMANY ...MADE IN GERMANY ...location of stamp ...not marked *Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked? None *Chamber marked? ...none ...date ...American Eagle stamp *Finnish Suome Armijnen M-23 ...S.A marked left receiver ...Tikka barrel 4-inch? 5-inch? 4-inch. 0.3 ...9mm or .30? ...unit mark grip medallion? *A.F. Stoeger inscription? ...2-line ...3-line *Safe/Loaded? Yes *Blank toggle? DWM toggle? DWM *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? No. *Police characteristics ...sear safety ...magazine safety ...police unit mark *Any additional noteworthy characteristics |
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Sorry: Add to Catalog: Serial number is 4772
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I thought I had submitted my alphabet 4-digit commercial, but I don't see it in V4, so here it is...
*serial number, with letter suffix - 6782n *proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? - yes *right receiver proofs? - no *blank toggle? - DWM toggle *Caliber .30 or 9mm? - 30 cal *Export marked? ...GERMANY - yes ...location of stamp - left frame rail above takedown lever *Chamber marked? - no *Blank toggle? DWM toggle? - DWM *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? - no *Any additional noteworthy characteristics - C/N [upright], 6782, n --> on bottom of barrel
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1920, DWM, .30 Luger
3910m (bottom of barrel, front of frame) 10 (rear toggle link, locking bolt, trigger plate, trigger, Upright c/n (bottom of barrel, left side of receiver) Lazy c/n (left side of breech block) MADE IN GERMANY on right side of frame (poor stamping) GESICHERT (safety) |
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The first:
*serial number, with letter suffix: 6439 o *proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright *right receiver proofs?. No *blank toggle: No, DWM toggle *Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30 *Export marked? No *Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No *Safe/Loaded?: I German * DWM toggle *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No *Police characteristics: No *Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine, 6439o and C/N in the bottom of the barrel. The second: *serial number, with letter suffix: 7529 u *proof marks, left receiver: crown over N, upright *right receiver proofs: No *blank toggle?: No *Caliber .30 or 9mm? 9mm *Export marked: No *Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No *Chamber marked:No *Safe/Loaded: In German DWM toggle *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No *Police characteristics: No *Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine without marks. 7529u with C/N in the bottom of the barrel Josep M. |
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*8317i
*crown over N is upright *right receiver blank *toggle marked DWM *.30 * MADE IN GERMANY on frame front of the grips * no Krieghoff Suhl * no chamber markings * no Finnish * no A.F. Stoeger * GELADEN * DWM toggle * no Eagle * no Police * thumb safety safe in rear position marked GESICHERT the data base is quite impressive |
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One last addition to 8317i - crown over N also on bottom of barrel under serial number.
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I have yet another addition to add for the 8317i. Located another N under Crown, sideways, on the left side of the forward toggle link.
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One final addition to the 8317i.
The first two digits of the serial number, 83, appear on the inside of the trigger plate. Jack |
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*serial number, with letter suffix: 80019
*proof marks, left receiver: NONE, may have been sandblasted away. *right receiver proofs: YES; not Crown/N. *blank toggle?: NO *Caliber .30 or 9mm?: 9mm; VOPO rebarreled. *Export marked: No *Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No *Chamber marked:No *Safe/Loaded: In German *DWM toggle: YES *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No?? Unclear due to sandblasting. *Police characteristics: No??? *Any additional noteworthy characteristics: VOPO refinish. Most serial numbers matching; crossout restrikes on sear and safety blocking lever. VOPO barrel date code = 983; digit 3 above it. VOPO "bullseye" grips, "dip" rebluing.
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uhhh, never heard of a vopo barrel date code, can I see pictures?
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Somewhere, in my prowling of the Internet, I encountered the date code; it may have even been here on Luger Forum somewhere.
The date code is the barrel manufacture date. It's on the underside of the barrel, next to the receiver. It's a 3 or 4 digit number, denoting MONTH of manufacture, and YEAR of manufacture. In my barrel's case, it translates as September (i.e., Month 9) of 1983.
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is it a 4 inch?
Then I bet it is 8,83 and that is the land to land measurement, and says that it was taken into service originally by the german army or police. I could be wrong, but I'd need a picture to see that I was wrong ![]() Ed
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BTW... I'll try to find a suitable macro lens to try to get a decent picture of the markings. I'm short on short focal length stuff here; I mostly shoot women's roller derby.
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Hello Ed!
You're RIGHT... sloppily done strike on the first "8", as revealed by a magnifying glass! Oops!!! Luger Novice here!
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Hey, not a bad thing...and you get to shoot women's roller derby. Sounds like you come out ahead!
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Driven by curiosity, I dug up a somewhat disreputable 18mm lens and had a go at trying to do detailed photos of the Luger. The results were surprising indeed!
I'd forgotten something that forensic shooters know WELL; using a flash, details often show up that are invisible to the naked eye. Well, my little strobe turned up a LOT of details. Yes, my "barrel date code" is indeed the 8.83 marking; it shows up beautifully in the pictures. ![]() Luger barrel details by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr I'm beginning to think that this thing WASN'T rebarreled; note the aligned index marks. Perhaps it was ALWAYS a 9 mm ??? Most interesting... the proof marks on the right side are now legible. Besides that, a proof on the barrel turned up; before, I'd dismissed it as a rust pitted spot! Also, evidence of a third proof mark showed up, but it's 90% sandblasted away. ![]() Luger proof marks by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr The toggle is here... ![]() Luger toggle detail by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr I'm in doubt about some of the metal scars on the sideplate... possibly ANOTHER proof mark that got buffed out??? ![]() Serial number details by Gavno The Ugly, on Flickr Hope this gives you some more information for the database.
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1906 (New Model):
*serial number = 38115 *variation = AE *proof marks, left receiver = None *Caliber = 9mm *Thumb safety stamped GESICHERT or polished = Polished *Extractor stamped GELADEN or LOADED = LOADED *Stamped GERMANY or not = GERMANY under serial *long frame or short = SHORT *thumb safety area stamped GESICHERT or SAFE = UNMARKED *Any additional noteworthy characteristics = DWM toggle - Wood base mag, NOT marked 9mm - condition over 95% HTH, John |
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Alphabet commercial s/n 1321n
c/N upright on underside of barrel, left frame and lazy c/N front toggle link DWM on toggle Export mark: "Germany" on frame below barrel Safe/Gesichert 30 cal. |
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serial number, with letter suffix: 6421 i
*proof marks, left receiver & Barrel--crown over N, upright *right receiver proofs?. No *blank toggle: No, DWM toggle *Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30 *Export marked? Germany On Barrel *Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No *Safe/Loaded?: Gesichert/Geladen * DWM toggle *Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No *Police characteristics: No *Any additional noteworthy characteristics: S3 on Rear frame & Rt. upper |
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