General Observations - Page 2

John Sabato · 08-28-2002, 02:26 PM

Disclaimer to newcomers:

You should take this entire message thread with a POUND of salt... Totally disregard anything that even remotely resembles a fact in this thread except for the first two posts by Mauserlugers and Jan C. Still.

[img]biggrin.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> you guys are a riot sometimes <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Heydrich · 08-28-2002, 02:51 PM

Pfeh. Remember that gun show price list that was posted awhile back for the fake die stamp maker? Well, I got a fully matching Ruger 10/22, made in 1942 with Waffen-SS death’s heads stamped on the receiver, barrel and stock. It also has the ultra rare 5150 waffenamp with the Nazi eagle that has a monkey flying out of its butt. I got capture papers that came with it (laser printed no less) that prove this 10/22 was used by Martin Bormann for plinking in the backyard of the Obersalzberg. Off to Auction Arms. Ker-shing!

Hugh · 08-28-2002, 08:11 PM

Gol-dang-it Ed U wuz rite! The number stamped on the cartridge follower in the magazine is the same as the one on the firing pin retainer!! <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />

Heydrich,

Thet rifle ought to bring at least $12,000 on AA or GB! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

Dwight Gruber · 08-28-2002, 10:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by John Sabato:
<strong> [img]biggrin.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> you guys are a riot sometimes <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

John,

I do, in fact, have a Luger with a 5" barrel. Also, it does not have a Death's Head--an oversight on my part, I suppose, not to have it engraved so while Thor was working on it [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

But, you are right about the caution to respect the words of Mauserlugers and Jan before the discussion devolved into chaos.

--Dwight

Carl · 08-28-2002, 11:30 PM

To all,
If I can get serious for a moment there is a very good article in the current issue of Man at Arms entitled A collectors guide to Spotting Luger Restorstions by Dave Norin. Let me quote him "It is absolutely possible to take a gun with virtually no finish, lots of rust and pits, a bent-in frame and some file marks on it, and restore it to a condition that would fool most experts. The experts that won't be fooled are the one who know what to look for." Beware!

wterrell · 08-28-2002, 11:35 PM

Carl,
Please post vast portions of the article.

Carl · 08-28-2002, 11:47 PM

Wes,
I'm sorry but I do not have a scanner. The magazine can be purchased at some newsstands that carry gun magazines. It is volume 24, number 4, 2002. This is the NRA journal for the American Arms Collector. Excellent reference magazine for collectors of all types of weapons.
Carl

Garfield · 08-29-2002, 12:06 AM

I would gladly pay for the copying and postage if anyone having a copy of this magazine would send a copy of this article to me.

Thanks,

Edward Tinker · 08-29-2002, 12:22 AM

I would too, in fact I'll pay five cents more than Garfield [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Seriously, I need to subscribe to Man At Arms, but in the mean time, I would like a copy also. This sounds like great information.

Doubs · 08-29-2002, 01:35 AM

Fellows, I can copy the article and save it in both Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format or Microsoft Word. The pdf format is the smaller file of the two.

I won't be able to do anything until tomorrow sometime and I want to experiment a little to see if I can save the pictures so they have better resolution than the line art setting gives.

Send me a private e-mail with your e-mail address and, when I get it copied, I'll attach the files and send them to you.

wterrell · 08-29-2002, 08:13 AM

Doubs,
I do not know that I have your email address and would appreciate a copy of the article.

Carl · 08-29-2002, 08:38 AM

Garfield, Ed, Wes, et all,
E-mail me at duffy@duffystavern.com with your mailing address and I will gladly send you a copy by snail mail. I will be out of town for the weekend, so give me a few days. I get into several other areas of collecting and have seen examples of what can be done given enough money and time. With modern technology virtually anything is possible. As was said on Hill Street Blues "be carefull out there". If you are a beginner get yourself a darn good mentor and study everything you can find.
Best collecting to all, Carl

Doubs · 08-29-2002, 05:21 PM

To everyone who requested a copy of the article, it's been sent in three separate e-mails because there are eight pages and each is a sizable file. I'm at work and had to use Microsoft Word to save it. The pictures aren't the best but I'll try later to scan them in a jpg format and send them again. The OCR program doesn't do well with pictures and text together unless I use grayscale which increases the file size to a monster!

wterrell · 08-29-2002, 08:05 PM

Received my copies and wish to thank you, Doubs.

Luke · 08-30-2002, 10:04 AM

Doubs,

Received my copy. Thank you.

This article should be read and re-read by every new collector. Wish I had known all this a couple of years ago.

Thanks again,
Luke

Wilber · 09-11-2002, 12:13 PM

Hay everyone
First post, I have 8 Lugers, had nothing to do one day, took them all apart, put them in a pile, then proceded to put them all back together, some look real funny, did I do good?
John(Wilber) <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

Roadkill · 09-11-2002, 12:43 PM

Ya'll remember the Johnny Cash song where he worked in Detroit and and put a car together by stealing parts from the line over 10 years? Just keep the best looking ones of those eight Lugers.
RK

08-28-2002, 02:26 PM	#21
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Disclaimer to newcomers: You should take this entire message thread with a POUND of salt... Totally disregard anything that even remotely resembles a fact in this thread except for the first two posts by Mauserlugers and Jan C. Still. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> you guys are a riot sometimes <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-28-2002, 08:11 PM	#23
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Gol-dang-it Ed U wuz rite! The number stamped on the cartridge follower in the magazine is the same as the one on the firing pin retainer!! <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> Heydrich, Thet rifle ought to bring at least $12,000 on AA or GB! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-28-2002, 11:35 PM	#26
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Carl, Please post vast portions of the article. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-29-2002, 12:22 AM	#29
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I would too, in fact I'll pay five cents more than Garfield [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Seriously, I need to subscribe to Man At Arms, but in the mean time, I would like a copy also. This sounds like great information. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-29-2002, 08:13 AM	#31
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Doubs, I do not know that I have your email address and would appreciate a copy of the article. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-28-2002, 02:51 PM	#22
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pfeh. Remember that gun show price list that was posted awhile back for the fake die stamp maker? Well, I got a fully matching Ruger 10/22, made in 1942 with Waffen-SS death’s heads stamped on the receiver, barrel and stock. It also has the ultra rare 5150 waffenamp with the Nazi eagle that has a monkey flying out of its butt. I got capture papers that came with it (laser printed no less) that prove this 10/22 was used by Martin Bormann for plinking in the backyard of the Obersalzberg. Off to Auction Arms. Ker-shing!

08-28-2002, 10:26 PM	#24
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by John Sabato: <strong> [img]biggrin.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> you guys are a riot sometimes <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote> John, I do, in fact, have a Luger with a 5" barrel. Also, it does not have a Death's Head--an oversight on my part, I suppose, not to have it engraved so while Thor was working on it [img]tongue.gif[/img] . But, you are right about the caution to respect the words of Mauserlugers and Jan before the discussion devolved into chaos. --Dwight

08-28-2002, 11:30 PM	#25
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	To all, If I can get serious for a moment there is a very good article in the current issue of Man at Arms entitled A collectors guide to Spotting Luger Restorstions by Dave Norin. Let me quote him "It is absolutely possible to take a gun with virtually no finish, lots of rust and pits, a bent-in frame and some file marks on it, and restore it to a condition that would fool most experts. The experts that won't be fooled are the one who know what to look for." Beware!

08-28-2002, 11:47 PM	#27
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Wes, I'm sorry but I do not have a scanner. The magazine can be purchased at some newsstands that carry gun magazines. It is volume 24, number 4, 2002. This is the NRA journal for the American Arms Collector. Excellent reference magazine for collectors of all types of weapons. Carl

08-29-2002, 12:06 AM	#28
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would gladly pay for the copying and postage if anyone having a copy of this magazine would send a copy of this article to me. Thanks,

08-29-2002, 01:35 AM	#30
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,672 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,618 Times in 527 Posts	Fellows, I can copy the article and save it in both Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format or Microsoft Word. The pdf format is the smaller file of the two. I won't be able to do anything until tomorrow sometime and I want to experiment a little to see if I can save the pictures so they have better resolution than the line art setting gives. Send me a private e-mail with your e-mail address and, when I get it copied, I'll attach the files and send them to you.

08-29-2002, 08:38 AM	#32
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Garfield, Ed, Wes, et all, E-mail me at duffy@duffystavern.com with your mailing address and I will gladly send you a copy by snail mail. I will be out of town for the weekend, so give me a few days. I get into several other areas of collecting and have seen examples of what can be done given enough money and time. With modern technology virtually anything is possible. As was said on Hill Street Blues "be carefull out there". If you are a beginner get yourself a darn good mentor and study everything you can find. Best collecting to all, Carl

08-29-2002, 05:21 PM	#33
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,672 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,618 Times in 527 Posts	To everyone who requested a copy of the article, it's been sent in three separate e-mails because there are eight pages and each is a sizable file. I'm at work and had to use Microsoft Word to save it. The pictures aren't the best but I'll try later to scan them in a jpg format and send them again. The OCR program doesn't do well with pictures and text together unless I use grayscale which increases the file size to a monster!

08-29-2002, 08:05 PM	#34
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Received my copies and wish to thank you, Doubs. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-30-2002, 10:04 AM	#35
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Doubs, Received my copy. Thank you. This article should be read and re-read by every new collector. Wish I had known all this a couple of years ago. Thanks again, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

09-11-2002, 12:13 PM	#36
Wilber User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: east coast Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hay everyone First post, I have 8 Lugers, had nothing to do one day, took them all apart, put them in a pile, then proceded to put them all back together, some look real funny, did I do good? John(Wilber) <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> __________________ J.R.U.

09-11-2002, 12:43 PM	#37
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Ya'll remember the Johnny Cash song where he worked in Detroit and and put a car together by stealing parts from the line over 10 years? Just keep the best looking ones of those eight Lugers. RK