Ideal Luger Stock with US markings - Page 2

Kent Churchill · 01-14-2021, 06:40 PM

I was holding this stock last week. Its not fake, and shows all the age one would expect. Im 100% certain the US Property and Bomb motif are genuine.

DonVoigt · 01-14-2021, 10:45 PM

All Ideal stocks are approximately the same age.

Ron Wood · 01-14-2021, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

All Ideal stocks are approximately the same age.

Just about exactly the same age. They were patented in 1901 but weren't produced until 1904, and then only for about a year before going defunct.
Ron

beachbaker · 01-15-2021, 12:59 PM

I took a few pictures and sent them to Mark as an example. I think you would be hard pressed to find a nicer set as the leather is soft and has no crazing and the metal is likewise in exceptional condition. Curt

Ron Wood · 01-15-2021, 04:13 PM

That is one of the nicest I have seen Curt. Mine looks pretty good but to be honest it was a pile of red rust and rough leather when I got it. Cleaned up rather well though

spacecoast · 01-16-2021, 05:02 PM

The idea that Luger #5673 has anything to do with the Trials was debunked a long time ago.

Heinz · 01-16-2021, 05:48 PM

Ron Woods stated the premise clearly
" However, in all fairness I have to acknowledge the possibility. The best rationale for such an otherwise dubious circumstance that I can entertain is the notion that someone with relatively high authority in the U.S. Ordnance department had sufficient interest and discretionary funds to make an exploratory purchase of the Ideal rig ancillary to the official Luger Test Trial contract. Being a totally commercial transaction to acquire items that then would become government property would tend to support the Ordnance property marking of the Ideal items and a corresponding association of them with the Luger for inventory purposes. I know that is a stretch, but not totally outside the realm of possibility, at least I would like to think so."
Ron knows more about test Luger than I ever will, so I will go with his opinion. When I worked for the Federal government we tested items of personal protective equipment that were bought in small lots by other federal agencies outside of formal testing lots, so I have no problem with the possibility of a purchase of a small lot prior to devoting resources to a full test.

banjomike · 04-05-2021, 11:27 AM

Please view new post on the reuniting of Luger#5673 with the matching Ideal Luger stock. Banjomike

Sergio Natali · 04-05-2021, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Ideal stocks were commercial - and bought by someone - I have never heard of one being used for the test trials, although anything is possible.

I have never heard of a stock or pistol marked US Property (like a 1911 is )

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I had never either.
Fort a while I also had a DWM 1900 AE with IDEAL STOCK in my collection.

hcz/68 · 07-24-2023, 04:26 PM

Hello Michael,

I bought the item with the stock last month, and try to record the history of ownership before it lost, can you let me know the name of the NH family to me, you can email for that if you prefer. Thanks you and other to preserve the this important historical firearm. Regards, Ed

hcz/68 · 07-25-2023, 12:11 PM

Hello everyone

Yakman · 10-06-2023, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecoast

The idea that Luger #5673 has anything to do with the Trials was debunked a long time ago.

Can you elaborate?

Thanks, Jack

01-14-2021, 10:45 PM	#22
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,352 Times in 2,040 Posts	All Ideal stocks are approximately the same age. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-15-2021, 12:59 PM	#24
beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 137 Thanks: 27 Thanked 107 Times in 30 Posts	Ideal Stock I took a few pictures and sent them to Mark as an example. I think you would be hard pressed to find a nicer set as the leather is soft and has no crazing and the metal is likewise in exceptional condition. Curt Attached Thumbnails __________________ Curt

01-15-2021, 04:13 PM	#25
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	That is one of the nicest I have seen Curt. Mine looks pretty good but to be honest it was a pile of red rust and rough leather when I got it. Cleaned up rather well though Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-16-2021, 05:02 PM	#26
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	The idea that Luger #5673 has anything to do with the Trials was debunked a long time ago. __________________ My avatars are the Bulgarian word for "Fire", as seen on my 1900, 1906 and 1908 Bulgarian Contract DWM Lugers. Looking for a DWM Commercial side plate #95

01-14-2021, 06:40 PM	#21
Kent Churchill New User Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 3 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I was holding this stock last week. Its not fake, and shows all the age one would expect. Im 100% certain the US Property and Bomb motif are genuine.

01-16-2021, 05:48 PM	#27
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Ron Woods stated the premise clearly " However, in all fairness I have to acknowledge the possibility. The best rationale for such an otherwise dubious circumstance that I can entertain is the notion that someone with relatively high authority in the U.S. Ordnance department had sufficient interest and discretionary funds to make an exploratory purchase of the Ideal rig ancillary to the official Luger Test Trial contract. Being a totally commercial transaction to acquire items that then would become government property would tend to support the Ordnance property marking of the Ideal items and a corresponding association of them with the Luger for inventory purposes. I know that is a stretch, but not totally outside the realm of possibility, at least I would like to think so." Ron knows more about test Luger than I ever will, so I will go with his opinion. When I worked for the Federal government we tested items of personal protective equipment that were bought in small lots by other federal agencies outside of formal testing lots, so I have no problem with the possibility of a purchase of a small lot prior to devoting resources to a full test.

04-05-2021, 11:27 AM	#28
banjomike User Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Please view new post on the reuniting of Luger#5673 with the matching Ideal Luger stock. Banjomike

07-24-2023, 04:26 PM	#30
hcz/68 New User Join Date: Jul 2023 Location: Texas Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Michael, I bought the item with the stock last month, and try to record the history of ownership before it lost, can you let me know the name of the NH family to me, you can email for that if you prefer. Thanks you and other to preserve the this important historical firearm. Regards, Ed

07-25-2023, 12:11 PM	#31
hcz/68 New User Join Date: Jul 2023 Location: Texas Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello everyone