Ralph Shattuck

[Yakman]

Since this dispute is openly presented and responded to in the open Forum, as a member I feel it ok if I offer my two cents worth.

My response has relevance to the "Ralph Shattuck" thread, as a detractor has ironically been accused of the same thing for which he has accused Shattuck.

hayhugh's argument is strong.

Were I in this situation, to preserve my good name and my reputation, and most importantly the reputation and integrity of this Forum, as well as the trust members have when buying from another member, I would ask for the gun to be returned for a full refund plus the shipping. I would not argue the point. I would make the offer, but would not apologize for something for which I felt I was correct. I would not try to have the last word protesting my innocence.

Jack

[Norme]

Well Jack, I have another suggestion. If Hugh were to list the gun on Gunbroker as a "Navy Luger Shooter" at a $1.00 starting price I'll pay him the difference if it doesn't net $2,400.00 (his cost price). If it goes over, he gets to keep the difference. It cuts down on shipping and who knows, he may make a profit?
Norm

[Yakman]

Norme,

Very innovative, I like it. But, it puts a burden on hayhugh. I wouldn't want anyone dealing with me to have to suffer a burden. My reply would be why don't don't you show your good will and take care of me, the one who perceives a wrong, and put it on GunBroker yourself, elevating yourself in the eyes of others. That's a win, win.

For me, at least, your way doesn't strengthen my confidence in member sellers.

Jack

[Norme]

I've sold a few guns to forum members in the past and I've ALWAYS tried to be very up-front about any and all deficiencies they might have. I find it hard to believe that I did not do so in the transaction referred to above, but unfortunately my correspondence with Hugh has timed out. Whether I did or not I will make good any financial loss he might incur.
Norm

[Yakman]

Ed,

You appear to be blaming the "victim". Why not just ask Norme to clear this up?

hayhugh made an accusation, why not now turn to Norme and say what about it, instead of ripping into hayhugh?

As a Moderator, I hope you don't use your position to quell this issue. I'm not saying you would. I am saying, however, nothing is ever said when someone speaks ill of someone like Ralph Shattuck, who is no longer here to defend himself. In this case, one of Shattuck's detractors, the person detracted, is here, and can defend himself. Ironic.

Jack

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Yakman

Ed,

You appear to be blaming the "victim". Why not just ask Norme to clear this up?

hayhugh made an accusation, why not now turn to Norme and say what about it, instead of ripping into hayhugh?

As a Moderator, I hope you don't use your position to quell this issue. I'm not saying you would. I am saying, however, nothing is ever said when someone speaks ill of someone like Ralph Shattuck, who is no longer here to defend himself. In this case, one of Shattuck's detractors, the person detracted, is here, and can defend himself. Ironic.

Jack

Jack, please think about what you are writing
THIS IS FIVE YEARS - 5 yrs from the sale - this isn't from last week?
Ironic my butt - I answered the original posters questions and heard nothing until he saw Norms posting.

[Yakman]

Norme,

That's the guy I know you are.

Jack

[hayhugh]

Norm, I have just got off the Gunbroker site and to an 84year old it is rather daunting. I would rather sell the gun back to you and let you realize any profit there is to be made.

Send me a check for $2400.00 and I will ship the gun back at my expense. Hugh

[Norme]

Hi Hugh,
Send me a PM with your address and I'll put a check in the mail.
Norm

[hayhugh]

Done and done........

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Hugh,
Send me a PM with your address and I'll put a check in the mail.
Norm

Originally Posted by hayhugh

Done and done........

Since the two members involved elected to discuss the Luger in question in the public forum, could we be informed as to the outcome of the transaction???

I've had business dealings with hayhugh, no problems. I've only had email question & answers with Norme, but he seemed sincere.

[cirelaw]

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[Yakman]

Ed,

Five years has nothing to do with it. It's called holding a grudge. There's no Statute Of Limitations. Norme has now corrected the situation very honorably. He sets a great example.

As for thinking about what I'm writing, please enlighten me. The gist of my posts have been to respectfully resolve a bad situation keeping one's self in the best light while not demeaning the other person in the process. That's exactly what Norme did, to his credit. What would you rather him do, join you in attacking that person?

"Irony your butt"? I could have said curious or coincidental as in a situation where one levels accusations onto someone else only to find themselves facing the same accusations by third party. That is a situational reversal, one of the definitions of irony. I know you know this, I am not trying to lecture you. I couldn't even if I wanted too, which I don't.

I read your answer to the OP in your Post #3. I thought you were very fair to Ralph Shattuck.

Jack

[Edward Tinker]

I actually like both parties listed here, I just thought it was an odd situation. And yes, 5 yrs is a long time - you can turn it as much as you want, but five years...

I took exception to this

As a Moderator, I hope you don't use your position to quell this issue.

and a few other comments. As a forum member, I have as much right to ask questions as you do - stirring the pot so to say.

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I opened this up - if you guys want to talk publicly about a private matter fine -

opened

[cirelaw]

Ed, THANk YOU! These were all purchased from Ralph!

[Yakman]

Thanks, Ed.

Jack

[Lyn Islaub]

Lots going on in this string, but I'll limit my comments to Ralph. I visited with him 3-4 times (once with Ed T.) and Ralph and his wife were always the perfect hosts. Dinner at his country club and hours of conversation were always in store when I visited his home in Peoria which was fairly close to mine. I always took what Ralph claimed with a grain of salt and did as much research as possible before buying from him. As said earlier in this post, Ralph was one of the founding members of the Luger collecting society and was indeed a used car salesman from Detroit. It is said that he coined the phrase "Black Widow Luger" to help sell byf Lugers with plastic grip panels. Ingenious.
Lyn

[tomaustin]

Is Ralph's wife still well and alive ? If so, does she ever visit this board ? I would think that she would be very embarrassed about the comments concerning Ralph....Several have said she was a great host and a nice person...and in the same sentence/paragraph throw rocks at Ralph...He is gone...let it be.......Tom Austin

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by tomaustin

Is Ralph's wife still well and alive ? If so, does she ever visit this board ? I would think that she would be very embarrassed about the comments concerning Ralph....Several have said she was a great host and a nice person...and in the same sentence/paragraph throw rocks at Ralph...He is gone...let it be.......Tom Austin

Nancy passed away a few years after Ralph. I always enjoyed visiting Ralph and Nancy, they were gracious hosts. My first purchase from Ralph was not as advertised, but he made good on it over and above my purchase price even though it was a number of years before I discovered it was not as authentic as offered. After that I was more vigilant and we enjoyed quite a number of years of acquaintance.
Ron

[cirelaw]

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