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sheepherder · 02-08-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Mac

I cant find a decent schematic to see exactly what I have and what I need.

Yeah, Numrich has 4 or 5 variations of the 94 but hard to see. Here's a grab from the NRA book -

Jim Mac · 02-09-2019, 08:54 PM

thank you for the schematic. looks like the carrier is the only thing missing. just ordered one off Ebay. bullet goes into the chamber fine. just not sure about the firing pin
jim

Mister Sunshine · 02-10-2019, 05:17 PM

As the NRA pointed out when asked about sporterizing [ that's a word invented in the 1960s when everyone was ruining their 03A3s ] and I quote them," you can take an $800 rifle, spend three to five hundred on the conversion and turn it into a $five hundred dollar rifle. The numbers I quoted may not be exactly as the NRA stated but you get the idea. I am sure with a little searching you could find someone who would trade you a more modern working 1894 for the one you have, if you don't butcher it.

Jim Mac · 02-11-2019, 12:20 AM

I understand about butchering a gun. basically I'm just replacing the missing parts. Not going to refinish anything. not modifying anything. it's all just replacing missing parts. I'm keeping the original stock as is. I did order a replacement stock, again remove a screw and install the original stock and it's back to factory. jim

Jim Mac · 02-11-2019, 12:21 AM

one nice thing about these old rifles vs a luger, nothing is numbered. jim

Jim Mac · 02-12-2019, 06:22 PM

a little progress, started to fit the new stock onto the rifle, it's close enough for what I want to do with the rifle. But! as I look at the back of the gun, the buttplate cutout is nowhere close. after looking at some pictures it seems I have a rifle stock on it with the deep crescent shape.
the options I have is.
1 find a correct buttplate
2 rough cut the stock for the buttplate I have now.
3 leave it as is, throw a rubber buttpad on the new stock and just move on. jim

Douglas Jr. · 02-13-2019, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Jim,
For heavy crusted rust I have found that the flattened mouth of a brass cartridge case used as a scraper works a bit better than a penny.
Ron

Thank you for the golden tip!

Douglas Jr. · 02-13-2019, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Mac

a little progress, started to fit the new stock onto the rifle, it's close enough for what I want to do with the rifle. But! as I look at the back of the gun, the buttplate cutout is nowhere close. after looking at some pictures it seems I have a rifle stock on it with the deep crescent shape.
the options I have is.
1 find a correct buttplate
2 rough cut the stock for the buttplate I have now.
3 leave it as is, throw a rubber buttpad on the new stock and just move on. jim

Jim,

I think your doing great.
I've been in such "rescue projects" (as I called them) myself and wht I found out is "less is more". No problem with replacing missing or too damaged parts. In the in end you will have a nice, functional gun, with a lot of character.
I do not intend to compare apples with oranges or kidnap your topic but here is what I did with an Ithaca M1911A1 found in a similar situation,
Keep us updated!
Douglas

Jim Mac · 02-13-2019, 05:12 PM

carrier came in today and it was a quick install. cycled it a few times and the hammer kept following the bolt. the lever safety was bit rounded, lightly touched it with a file and she locks up solid.
stuck a live round in it, cycled it, bullet loaded perfectly (too bad I was in the house, I really wanted to pull the trigger). But pulled the lever and the round ejected nicely. I've got 1 30 30 round, I'll probably pull the projectile, dump the powder, load it and see if the primer goes bang (when my wifes not home). jim

Rick W. · 02-13-2019, 09:42 PM

I am not too heavy into Winchester lever guns, but did see this on a site. I have used his products before, and are first rate. FWIW

http://www.treebonecarving.com/winch...un-stocks.html

Jim Mac · 02-13-2019, 11:23 PM

thanks for the link, I think that's the company that sold the factory second on Ebay. they dont show a carbine plate but I'll rig up something. I also need to patina the stock so it doesnt look so out of place.
I have a old CS schattuck shotgun that had a shattered stock by the reciever, the gun cost me 20 bucks and probably all it's worth, so I filled the damaged area with fiberglass, sanded it all back down and sprayed truck bed liner over the stock. Redneck but functional. jim

Mister Sunshine · 02-15-2019, 07:35 PM

I cannot speak about the butt plate for the '94 carbine you have, never having owned a '94 saddle ring carbine but I have owned many '92s. The '92 did not have a crescent butt plate. The '92 carbine had a stamped butt plate that was wider than the crescent one. I know Winchester used many of the same parts on these two rifles so it seems they would share the same butt plates on the same modles.

Jim Mac · 03-07-2019, 11:21 PM

Well ended up getting everything installed and tried to fire off a primer in a empty case and I found out the firing pins is broke. Got one in on friday and I believe its all in working order now.
So I go to the same swap meet on sunday and picked up a Remington 510p missing a trigger guard and rusty bolt for $20. Little penetrating oil and ebay for a trigger guard, I've for a working single shot .22 for $45!.
As im leaving theres a guy with a ruger gp100 with a ruptured cylinder and lost hammer and grips. $80 and it follows me home. $245 forba gp100 parts kit off the net, swap out the missing and broken parts and I have a stainless gp100 with a 6" barrel. Cylinder locks up nicely in time even. Jim

02-09-2019, 08:54 PM	#22
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	thank you for the schematic. looks like the carrier is the only thing missing. just ordered one off Ebay. bullet goes into the chamber fine. just not sure about the firing pin jim

02-10-2019, 05:17 PM	#23
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	As the NRA pointed out when asked about sporterizing [ that's a word invented in the 1960s when everyone was ruining their 03A3s ] and I quote them," you can take an $800 rifle, spend three to five hundred on the conversion and turn it into a $five hundred dollar rifle. The numbers I quoted may not be exactly as the NRA stated but you get the idea. I am sure with a little searching you could find someone who would trade you a more modern working 1894 for the one you have, if you don't butcher it.

02-11-2019, 12:20 AM	#24
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	I understand about butchering a gun. basically I'm just replacing the missing parts. Not going to refinish anything. not modifying anything. it's all just replacing missing parts. I'm keeping the original stock as is. I did order a replacement stock, again remove a screw and install the original stock and it's back to factory. jim

02-11-2019, 12:21 AM	#25
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	one nice thing about these old rifles vs a luger, nothing is numbered. jim

02-12-2019, 06:22 PM	#26
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	a little progress, started to fit the new stock onto the rifle, it's close enough for what I want to do with the rifle. But! as I look at the back of the gun, the buttplate cutout is nowhere close. after looking at some pictures it seems I have a rifle stock on it with the deep crescent shape. the options I have is. 1 find a correct buttplate 2 rough cut the stock for the buttplate I have now. 3 leave it as is, throw a rubber buttpad on the new stock and just move on. jim

02-13-2019, 05:12 PM	#29
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	carrier came in today and it was a quick install. cycled it a few times and the hammer kept following the bolt. the lever safety was bit rounded, lightly touched it with a file and she locks up solid. stuck a live round in it, cycled it, bullet loaded perfectly (too bad I was in the house, I really wanted to pull the trigger). But pulled the lever and the round ejected nicely. I've got 1 30 30 round, I'll probably pull the projectile, dump the powder, load it and see if the primer goes bang (when my wifes not home). jim

02-13-2019, 09:42 PM	#30
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	I am not too heavy into Winchester lever guns, but did see this on a site. I have used his products before, and are first rate. FWIW http://www.treebonecarving.com/winch...un-stocks.html

02-13-2019, 11:23 PM	#31
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	thanks for the link, I think that's the company that sold the factory second on Ebay. they dont show a carbine plate but I'll rig up something. I also need to patina the stock so it doesnt look so out of place. I have a old CS schattuck shotgun that had a shattered stock by the reciever, the gun cost me 20 bucks and probably all it's worth, so I filled the damaged area with fiberglass, sanded it all back down and sprayed truck bed liner over the stock. Redneck but functional. jim

02-15-2019, 07:35 PM	#32
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I cannot speak about the butt plate for the '94 carbine you have, never having owned a '94 saddle ring carbine but I have owned many '92s. The '92 did not have a crescent butt plate. The '92 carbine had a stamped butt plate that was wider than the crescent one. I know Winchester used many of the same parts on these two rifles so it seems they would share the same butt plates on the same modles.

03-07-2019, 11:21 PM	#33
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	Well ended up getting everything installed and tried to fire off a primer in a empty case and I found out the firing pins is broke. Got one in on friday and I believe its all in working order now. So I go to the same swap meet on sunday and picked up a Remington 510p missing a trigger guard and rusty bolt for $20. Little penetrating oil and ebay for a trigger guard, I've for a working single shot .22 for $45!. As im leaving theres a guy with a ruger gp100 with a ruptured cylinder and lost hammer and grips. $80 and it follows me home. $245 forba gp100 parts kit off the net, swap out the missing and broken parts and I have a stainless gp100 with a 6" barrel. Cylinder locks up nicely in time even. Jim