K Date Luger & Holster - Page 2

hayhugh · 01-19-2016, 11:54 AM

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The presence of the "hump" is actually the result of an additional milling procedure which removed metal below the area of the rear toggle hinge.

To what purpose was this machining done? Surely not to save whatever weight might be accomplished.
So it must have been structural strength?

guns3545 · 01-19-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh

To what purpose was this machining done? Surely not to save whatever weight might be accomplished.
So it must have been structural strength?

No, it had to do with keeping the rear axle pin in place. At full recoil it was exposed and could displace thus jamming the toggle train.

See the link in post 19 for details. They were responding to a Reichsministarium order dated 6/16/1930

John

abukafura · 01-20-2016, 10:58 AM

Thanks for your post, ED.....and the highliting of it. Couldn't agree more. Let's keep the info on the Forum for all of us.

Motown · 01-25-2016, 09:33 PM

OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value?

On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...?

Motown · 01-25-2016, 09:56 PM

OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value?

On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...?

DavidJayUden · 01-25-2016, 10:59 PM

On the gun, 2 mismatched parts hurts. A mismatched side plate is the biggest problem. Now on DWM's you could probably find a correct numbered sideplate and install it; not as original but to give the appearance as matching. The later Mausers actually had a partial number, but 1# off, on the inside, so coincidental replacement is practically impossible. But I don't know if that is true on the K date guns. As per value, that is a rare year so a mismatched sideplate doesn't hurt it quite so bad, maybe $200-$400, but that is a WAG.
K date guys can help you far more on this one, as can the holster guys.
Nice gun, regardless.
dju

lugerholsterrepair · 01-25-2016, 11:14 PM

Leon, and the holster has a stick wing eagle proof which came after the 1934 date. As Bob indicates..this is true but it also has the correct WaA94 downswept Eagle that IS correct for 1934. The stick wing eagle M beneath it WAS applied later by the Nazi Navy when the holster was put into Navy inventory/service. I am no expert on Nazi Navy holster markings but the placement and the look of this one looks good to me. I only saw the one photo so cannot comment further about your holster. IF it's all as it should be and it looks like it..the holster is a valuable one.

spartacus38 · 01-26-2016, 12:26 AM

Motown;
Assuming everything else is correct with your K date,I would estimate its value to be $1500.
Bob

Motown · 01-26-2016, 10:32 AM

Great, very much appreciated. If it would help, I can post more pictures of the holster - also, always looking for 'stuff' to go with the gun and holster - take down tool & or a cleaning rod (both of which have slots inside the flap of the holster). Any recommendations to store and maintain the holster - the only part that seems to be dryer than the rest is the takedown tool 'holder' inside. the leather has shrunk around the stud there.

Motown · 01-26-2016, 10:33 AM

Any harm in shooting the pistol? All matching obviously makes it far more valuable than 1500 - and a risk of breaking an extractor a far more costly thing...?

DonVoigt · 01-26-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Motown

Any harm in shooting the pistol? All matching obviously makes it far more valuable than 1500 - and a risk of breaking an extractor a far more costly thing...?

You have two mismatched parts already, a third won't do any more harm, JMHO.

I'd shoot it.

IF you are really stressed, change out the matching extractor for
a replacement and fire away.

Store your holster inside in a climate controlled environment.
Some leather conditioner like Black Rock would be good, on the outside, finished part of the leather only. Be aware everyone will have their own opinion on what to do to leather or not.

spartacus38 · 01-26-2016, 01:57 PM

Since the extractor doesn't match you don't have to change it.
Suggest you use Winchester 115 gr FMJ in white box.
Bob

Sergio Natali · 01-27-2016, 02:27 AM

I agree with Don, since you already have a shooter then shoot it; just stay away from heavy loads.

Have fun and shoot safe!

01-25-2016, 09:33 PM	#24
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value? On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...? __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-25-2016, 09:56 PM	#25
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value? On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...? __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-25-2016, 11:14 PM	#27
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Leon, and the holster has a stick wing eagle proof which came after the 1934 date. As Bob indicates..this is true but it also has the correct WaA94 downswept Eagle that IS correct for 1934. The stick wing eagle M beneath it WAS applied later by the Nazi Navy when the holster was put into Navy inventory/service. I am no expert on Nazi Navy holster markings but the placement and the look of this one looks good to me. I only saw the one photo so cannot comment further about your holster. IF it's all as it should be and it looks like it..the holster is a valuable one. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-26-2016, 10:32 AM	#29
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great, very much appreciated. If it would help, I can post more pictures of the holster - also, always looking for 'stuff' to go with the gun and holster - take down tool & or a cleaning rod (both of which have slots inside the flap of the holster). Any recommendations to store and maintain the holster - the only part that seems to be dryer than the rest is the takedown tool 'holder' inside. the leather has shrunk around the stud there. __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-26-2016, 10:33 AM	#30
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any harm in shooting the pistol? All matching obviously makes it far more valuable than 1500 - and a risk of breaking an extractor a far more costly thing...? __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

01-20-2016, 10:58 AM	#23
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Thanks for your post, ED.....and the highliting of it. Couldn't agree more. Let's keep the info on the Forum for all of us.

01-25-2016, 10:59 PM	#26
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	On the gun, 2 mismatched parts hurts. A mismatched side plate is the biggest problem. Now on DWM's you could probably find a correct numbered sideplate and install it; not as original but to give the appearance as matching. The later Mausers actually had a partial number, but 1# off, on the inside, so coincidental replacement is practically impossible. But I don't know if that is true on the K date guns. As per value, that is a rare year so a mismatched sideplate doesn't hurt it quite so bad, maybe $200-$400, but that is a WAG. K date guys can help you far more on this one, as can the holster guys. Nice gun, regardless. dju

01-26-2016, 12:26 AM	#28
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Motown; Assuming everything else is correct with your K date,I would estimate its value to be $1500. Bob

01-26-2016, 01:57 PM	#32
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Since the extractor doesn't match you don't have to change it. Suggest you use Winchester 115 gr FMJ in white box. Bob

01-27-2016, 02:27 AM	#33
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I agree with Don, since you already have a shooter then shoot it; just stay away from heavy loads. Have fun and shoot safe! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.