Who remembers comic book character "Sarge Steel" with his steel fist and Luger?

[saab-bob]

Great stuff gents.
I was at a friends house recently and he was showing off SOME of his toy guns.
Can you ID them?
My favorite Twilight Zone episode was with Andy Devine called "Hocus Pocus and Frisby"
Here is a link to the episode.
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi953984793
Bob

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_fl

Take another look at the text on the comic's cover I provided Sheepherder. It doesn't say Johnny Cloud was in the story entitled "The ship that fought in three wars". It says "Featuring Johnny Cloud the Navajo Ace".....(within another story in the same issue) and notice it says "ALSO the startling ship that fought in three wars".

You're right! I missed that! I see about a dozen on eBay; I'll bid on one of them!

An interesting thing, is there was an old early 1960's Twilight Zone t.v. episode very similar.... Anyone else remember that one?

Yep. Also, Ch 5 here ['Me-TV', Buffalo NY area] shows old Twilight Zone episodes and that one was on.

My neighborhood theater showed sci-fi & monster movies on Saturdays, "This Island Earth", "I Married A Monster From Outer Space", "The Thing From Another World", "Forgotten Planet", every monster known, the Stooges, etc. TV had "Our Gang", "The Young Rascals" [I think that was the name], and the famous local show "The Howdy Doody Show", which was a bunch of kinda-westerny marionettes and a 'Buffalo Bob' and a clown named Clarabelle. There is a great underground tape/reel of obscene out-takes of the marionettes engaged in sexual activity...I saw it once years ago; it was hilarious. Put together between takes on the set, when the puppeteers were bored and waiting for the scenery/props to be changed. Great stuff!

I don't recall the "Phantom" serials but I did follow him in the daily/Sunday comics. I especially liked the 'ancestors' storylines, a 1700's Phantom fighting pirates with the Phantom costume and two holstered flintlocks!

There was also a fanzine in the late 50's/early 60's called "Famous Monsters Of Filmland" put out by a fan who collected old publicity stills and published them in magazine form...Forest J. Ackerman was his name...Great fanzine; one of the first IIRC...

I had a Hubley cap gun once; it was the same time frame as the 'Fanner 50' but it was a top-break six-shooter. I wanted a Fanner 50 real bad, but my mother didn't know Hubley from Mattel and bought me the Hubley instead. All-zinc, shot some kind of caps, but the top-break and hinged barrel/cylinder were quite interesting. I've been trying to find it on eBay but no luck so far. Of course, back then I didn't want the Hubley, I wanted the Fanner. I cried. My mom was heartbroken.

[sheepherder]

OK, I have a copy of A-A-M-O-W #97 coming. Seller didn't indicate whether it was the original 1952 edition or the 1963 reprint, but shouldn't matter, except for the ads. IIRC, there was a big company selling novelties, toys, magic tricks, etc that advertised in comic books back then. I forget the name, but I used to order small stuff from them.

Haw! Grown men, sitting around talking about 'the good old days'!!!

Next we'll be sitting in rocking chairs with blankets on us!!!

[spacecoast]

Speaking of cap guns, does anyone remember detonating an entire roll of caps at once with a hammer on the sidewalk? We would probably be hauled off to jail on explosives charges if such an evil act was committed today.

Very entertaining and thought-provoking thread...

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by saab-bob

Great stuff gents.
I was at a friends house recently and he was showing off SOME of his toy guns.
Can you ID them?
My favorite Twilight Zone episode was with Andy Devine called "Hocus Pocus and Frisby"
Here is a link to the episode.
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi953984793
Bob

saab-bob, luv your signature line. "I think therefore I own guns". Perfect.

Well, the big one in the uppermost photo is a real Whitney Wolverine .22 semi auto pistol. A collector's item today and ahead of its time in styling. The little ones next to it, if memory serves me, I think were double action spring loaded and shot those little clay balls that were covered with some sort of thin silver colored plastic coating. They also may have shot little hollow or solid plastic balls. They strongly resembled the Whitney Wolverine pistol but I don't remember what the little toy ones were called though.

In your second photo, the Hi Standard Challenger looking one at the top was the Johnny Eagle big game hunter pistol that came with the big game hunter set and the 1911 one is also a Johnny Eagle one but I can't remember which set it came from. Both of them may have been available individually as well as with sets too, I can't recall. I remember that black Luger as a squirt gun.

I had a very realistic toy Luger (that was double action though) that the toggle actually worked when you double action'ed the trigger and it fired a plastic bullet that went into the front of the barrel over a little metal piece, that was projected out by the force of a toy cap. What was unusual about it was that the toggle actually went up and down as you double action'ed it. I can't remember for sure, but it may have been a 007 or Man From Uncle secret agent toy gun. I've thought about that working toy Luger toggle action for years. Wish I could find it again on e bay.

I don't recognize the silver one that looks kinda like a Luger, a Lahti or Glisenti, but has more of a rear slide area that looks like a P38. That one isn't it, but I had one that looked a little similar that folded up to look like a camera and was a spy/secret agent gun.

How many did I get correct?


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[Douglas Jr.]

OK guys, here is "The Twilight Zone" episode about the WWI era British pilot that ended in a US Air Force base in the 60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuJD0k-LMZY

It is called "The Last Flight"

And oh... those marvellous F100 Super Sabres...

Have fun!

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

"The Howdy Doody Show", which was a bunch of kinda-westerny marionettes and a 'Buffalo Bob' and a clown named Clarabelle. There is a great underground tape/reel of obscene out-takes of the marionettes engaged in sexual activity...I saw it once years ago; it was hilarious. Put together between takes on the set, when the puppeteers were bored and waiting for the scenery/props to be changed. Great stuff!

I would luv to see that underground marionettes reel. That would be hilarious. There were three different actors who played Clarabelle the clown. The first actor to play Clarabelle was Bob Keeshan, who is even more famous as Captain Kangaroo. I used to be a limousine driver for Fancy Nancy limousines in Tampa, Fl back in '88 to '90 and drove a few stars. Joan Baez the folk singer and some football stars and Tone Loc the rapper (Wild Thing, Bust a move). But my most enjoyable fare was driving Bob Keeshan to a fundraiser he was doing in St Petersburg. He was so nice and I got to chat a bit with him on the drive and told him how I used to watch him and Mr Green Jeans and Mr Bear and Mr Moose and Grandfather clock when I was just a child, and he gave me a 8x10 picture of himself as Captain Kangaroo that he autographed specially to me. Sadly he's gone now.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I don't recall the "Phantom" serials but I did follow him in the daily/Sunday comics. I especially liked the 'ancestors' storylines, a 1700's Phantom fighting pirates with the Phantom costume and two holstered flintlocks!

Oh yeah, those Phantom ancestor storylines were my favorites too. I liked how the Phantoms all created a glass front vignette booth inside the skull cave for each and every ancestor Phantom that existed and had their costume on a dummy along with their holsters and pistols and other artifacts. So the skull cave had a section that was like a museum to all the previous Phantoms. Yeah, those holstered flintlocks the original Phantom used to fight the pirates were cool. The premise of "The Ghost who walks" where when one Phantom died, his son or someone took his place and with him wearing a mask, that's why the natives called him...."The Ghost who walks" because they thought he was immortal.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I had a Hubley cap gun once; it was the same time frame as the 'Fanner 50' but it was a top-break six-shooter. I wanted a Fanner 50 real bad, but my mother didn't know Hubley from Mattel and bought me the Hubley instead. All-zinc, shot some kind of caps, but the top-break and hinged barrel/cylinder were quite interesting. I've been trying to find it on eBay but no luck so far. Of course, back then I didn't want the Hubley, I wanted the Fanner. I cried. My mom was heartbroken.

There were two models of that top break Hubley. Mine had wide top hammers that were smooth and very suitable for fanning and were called the Hubley Colt .38 There is another Hubley that is almost exactly the same and except for the hammer practically indistinguishable from the Colt .38. Same frame only with different model name on it, same cylinder same everything except the hammer is different and is more narrow on top and serrated. I think that more narrow and serrated hammer model was called "The Texan" or something with Texas or Texan in it. Those were the only two Hubley topbreaks that I know of. So Sheepherder, you either had the Hubley "Colt .38" with the wide top flat hammers (like I had), or the more narrow top hammer that was serrated and called "The Texan" or something very similar. Can you remember if the top of your hammer was wide and flat or more narrow and serrated?


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[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

OK, I have a copy of A-A-M-O-W #97 coming. Seller didn't indicate whether it was the original 1952 edition or the 1963 reprint, but shouldn't matter, except for the ads. IIRC, there was a big company selling novelties, toys, magic tricks, etc that advertised in comic books back then. I forget the name, but I used to order small stuff from them.

Haw! Grown men, sitting around talking about 'the good old days'!!!

Next we'll be sitting in rocking chairs with blankets on us!!!

Cool. Glad you found the one you wanted. Hey, nothing wrong with talking about the good ole days. Better days back then than the insanity of society today. Yeah, one day in the not too distant future, we WILL be sitting in our rocking chairs saying...."I'm cold", "I'm hungry", "What time is wheel of fortune coming on?" and driving the kids, grandkids and nursing home orderlies crazy. But we still have about 25 years before that happens.....if we last that long.

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by spacecoast

Speaking of cap guns, does anyone remember detonating an entire roll of caps at once with a hammer on the sidewalk? We would probably be hauled off to jail on explosives charges if such an evil act was committed today.

Very entertaining and thought-provoking thread...

Yes I remember doing that as a boy on our back steps. Usually I couldn't do the whole roll though and would do like a quarter or half a roll because a whole roll never worked for me with it being too much of its own cushion for me to get a good whack with the hammer against it and the concrete. Maybe because I was too young and not strong enough to whack it hard enough. We also would unroll the cap roll and set them on fire, but they wouldn't blow up and would just go "Pheet, pheet, pheet" as the flame got to each cap dot. Yep, you're probably right, if a kid was seen by the wrong neighbors doing that today, they might call the cops on them. Hopefully not, but you never know in this crazy, anti-gun, politically correct society that stifles as much freedom and fun as possible. We were also told as kids that we could get blood poisoning from handling caps. Well I must have built up an immunity with all the ones I played with, cut myself and got spent cap powder in the cuts, blistered myself (lighting caps on fire) and got cap dust into the popped blisters. And just generally got spent cap dust on my hands from shooting them so much. And it didn't get me sick nor hurt me. We didn't realize just how free we were as kids back then and never gave that norm a second thought. You never miss freedom until you lose it.

Yes this has been a fun reminiscing thread.


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[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

OK guys, here is "The Twilight Zone" episode about the WWI era British pilot that ended in a US Air Force base in the 60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuJD0k-LMZY

It is called "The Last Flight"

And oh... those marvellous F100 Super Sabres...

Have fun!

That was so cool to watch again. Hadn't seen that in years. Thanks Douglas Jr for sharing that. I liked the Sabres, but especially liked the sleek F105 Starfighters. That was a WW1 Nieuport 28 he was flying. I read an article once about how someone had shortened the wings and added a more powerful (radial? as opposed to original rotary?) engine to some of them back in the 1930's for a movie. I used to know it, but can't remember the man's name who did the modifications. Anyway, I recognize that Nieuport 28 was one of those that had the shortened wings and different engine modification done to it.


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[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_fl

There were two models of that top break Hubley....Can you remember if the top of your hammer was wide and flat or more narrow and serrated?.

No, I don't recall the hammer...Mostly just the top "T"-bar for the break...It was pretty solid. I *think* it may have had 'steer' grips, maybe cream w/black steer head...???...

That Howdy-Doody gag reel might be on YouTube by now...

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

No, I don't recall the hammer...Mostly just the top "T"-bar for the break...It was pretty solid. I *think* it may have had 'steer' grips, maybe cream w/black steer head...???...

That Howdy-Doody gag reel might be on YouTube by now...

I've seen them with cream colored grips with black long horn steer heads on the grips, so that sounds correct.

Mine were all one color of blue turquoise with long horn steer heads on the grips. Maybe if you see the wide smooth top hammer vs the more narrow top serrated hammer, it would jog your memory. I've seen both on e bay, but have had a hard time finding the wide smooth top hammer (Hubley .38 Colt) with the blue turquoise steer head grips. Also on my holsters, there was a gold imprinted rearing Stallion just like on a Colt, with ".38 Colt" imprinted under the rearing Stallion. On ebay, try typing in Hubley .38 Colt and also Hubley Texan (more narrow serrated hammer otherwise the same except for the model markings on the gun), and pay particular attention to the hammers in the pics. Might jog the ole memory.



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[Anfanger]

Second photo, top pistol is a Johnny Eagle "Magumba", made by Topper in the 60's. I had the matching elephant rifle when I was a kid. Shot plastic bullets, and used caps.

Cool collection!

[saab-bob]

Bill in Florida
Good job on the toy guns.
You get a Gold Star!
You did better then I did!
The silver metal luger is a very cool toy that I had never seen before.Load a roll of caps and shoot all day! Even has semi-toggle action.
The little yellow ball shooting toy Wolverines where sold as Zebra pistols.
My friend and I are both Whitney Wolverine admirers.You gotta love a pistol that comes apart like a Chinese puzzle.
They can be true jam-o-matics with the wrong ammo and incorrect magazine loading technique.
Love the style.

Does anyone remember M-80s? Serious fun for explosive crazed pre-teens.
Many friends where sent to the principals office for mysterious boys restroom incidents.
Still got all my fingers!
Completely not PC nowadays.
I miss those days.
Bob

[sheepherder]

You guys talking about the 'other' storylines in the popular comic books have jarred something loose in my memory...We all remember Green Arrow and Green Lantern but does anyone else remember (from Detective Comics I think) the shape-changing alien known as the "Manhunter From Mars" or the race of super-advanced simians [gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans etc] that lived in super-cities underground and traveled in atomic powered cars through continent wide tunnels??? I don't recall the names of the two series but the storylines appeared occasionally in the 'regular' comic books...

I do remember "The Haunted Tank" series.

On TV, there were a couple good comedies to watch. "The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis" was great; everybody loved Maynard G. Krebs. "Our Miss Brooks" was another, Art Linkletter had a talk show; "Kukla, Fran, & Ollie"; "Wild Bill Hickock", "The Bob Cummings Show"... My favorite was "Science Fiction Theater"...There was an episode about a widow and her son living way out in the desert, no phone or electricity, and visited by a mysterious stranger with a suitcase, telling wild stories to the kid about trains running in the sky...The widow was woken up in the morning to find the stranger gone and the son playing with his electric train set which was plugged into the strangers suitcase/duplex receptacle...Cool stuff for the 50's...

[Diver6106]

In those days, you could run around with toy guns and play games all day long. Now someone calls the police and you stand a good chance of being shot. Back then, cops would rather take a bullet than shoot a kid. Now they find excuses and take that all inclusive rational justification "I felt my life was in danger." Remember the kid in the field in California with an AK-looking toy, or the 'glock tart' or the kid who used a pencil in school as a gun... suspended. So kids still play guns... in ultra violent video games, indoors and private but protected, with out all the exercise of running around. It feeds their imagination in harmful ways and a few... Well I'll take the '50's and my toy guns back in Midland Texas.

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

You guys talking about the 'other' storylines in the popular comic books have jarred something loose in my memory...We all remember Green Arrow and Green Lantern but does anyone else remember (from Detective Comics I think) the shape-changing alien known as the "Manhunter From Mars" or the race of super-advanced simians [gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans etc] that lived in super-cities underground and traveled in atomic powered cars through continent wide tunnels??? I don't recall the names of the two series but the storylines appeared occasionally in the 'regular' comic books...

I remember a D.C. character called the Martian Manhunter, is that who you're talking about? If I recall correctly, he had a bald head, was green all over, and as part of his costume he had two red (I think) straps that went across his chest in an X bandolero style. The Martian Manhunter was a member of the Justice League Of America and friends with Superman, Batman, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash and all the rest of the D.C. hero's. Things got a bit foggy though when the D.C. authors created that parallel earth thing and we got a similar but slightly different set of hero's for the parallel earth called the Justice Society Of America. I remember there was a parallel earth Flash, who wore a WW1 doughboy looking helmet with tiny wings on it (Like Hermes in Greek mythology) or were the tiny wings on his feet? I can't recall clearly, and in the parallel earth Justice Society there was a hot female called Black Canary along with Captain Midnight and lots of other super heroes from that parallel earth. I don't recall the advanced simians who lived underground and drove atomic cars though.

Does anyone remember "Magnus Robot Fighter"? He was a mortal who had incredible strength and fought robots in the future. A typical cover would show him severing a robot's head with a karate chop.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I do remember "The Haunted Tank" series.

Yep, the ghost of civil war general Jeb Stuart, haunting/protecting the Stuart tank (named after him) and its crew. What's funny is sometimes we'd see the thin wispy figure of the ghostly general on his horse. So I guess his horse was a ghost too! Lol. If I remember correctly, I think the tank commander was a direct descendant of Gen Jeb Stuart and that's one reason his ghost haunted/protected the tank and crew and frequently warned them of danger.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

On TV, there were a couple good comedies to watch. "The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis" was great; everybody loved Maynard G. Krebs. "Our Miss Brooks" was another, Art Linkletter had a talk show; "Kukla, Fran, & Ollie"; "Wild Bill Hickock", "The Bob Cummings Show"... My favorite was "Science Fiction Theater"...There was an episode about a widow and her son living way out in the desert, no phone or electricity, and visited by a mysterious stranger with a suitcase, telling wild stories to the kid about trains running in the sky...The widow was woken up in the morning to find the stranger gone and the son playing with his electric train set which was plugged into the strangers suitcase/duplex receptacle...Cool stuff for the 50's...

I remember all of those Sheepherder, but don't remember that specific episode about the widow and son in the desert with the stranger and trains. Sounds like a good one though. I also remember the old "One Step Beyond", which was a show about eerie things and circumstances. It was hosted by a Rod Serling (Twilight Zone) type of host. I particularly remember one episode that took place in Germany during the 1930's with a group of teenagers who were flying gliders. One male German teenager was jealous of another male teenager because a girl teenager liked him better. So as the one teenager was about to take off behind the tow plane, unknown to anyone else in the group, he stabbed and killed him and closed the cockpit's top, and the tow plane took off dragging the glider and its dead teenage pilot behind it, the glider was released and never seen again. Fast forward to years later after the end of WW2, and the now much older former teenagers met at the old glider field again for a post war reunion. What happens? Of course the by now ragged old glider from years ago appears and makes a perfect landing on the field. The teenagers open the cockpit and find the skeleton of their dead former teenage comrade with the bad guys knife still stuck in his ribs. They identified the knife and then knew who killed him and then why the glider had never returned with him. Fade to eerie music and host who asks: "how did the glider get there? Was it stuck in a tree for many years and a gust of wind blew it out at just the right time to blow it to a perfect landing at their old field? Who knows what strange things happen in the realm of One Step Beyond". The manner that the host spoke in was perfectly creepy for the series. Never forgot that episode.

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by Diver6106

In those days, you could run around with toy guns and play games all day long. Now someone calls the police and you stand a good chance of being shot. Back then, cops would rather take a bullet than shoot a kid. Now they find excuses and take that all inclusive rational justification "I felt my life was in danger." Remember the kid in the field in California with an AK-looking toy, or the 'glock tart' or the kid who used a pencil in school as a gun... suspended. So kids still play guns... in ultra violent video games, indoors and private but protected, with out all the exercise of running around. It feeds their imagination in harmful ways and a few... Well I'll take the '50's and my toy guns back in Midland Texas.

Yep, I agree. That's how it was,....and now how it is. That shows us how well all this insane communist liberalism has worked out for us compared to how it was in the sane days of grandfatherly president "Ike". We need a return to that kind of society. Bye the way Diver6106, luv your avatar of the old Mad Magazine's "Spy vs Spy". I used to read those.


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[saab-bob]

Bill
I have all the "Magnus Robot Fighter" series.They where Gold Key comics.
Great artwork on the early ones.The later ones went downhill.
Does anyone remember "Doc Savage"? Originally published in pulp magazines in the 1930's and 1940's? He and his men carried fully automatic pistols with the rams horn magazines!
They traveled in gyro-copters and Zeppelin's and lived in the Empire State building.
Good Stuff!
Bob

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_fl

I remember a D.C. character called the Martian Manhunter, is that who you're talking about?

Yeah, that's him! I got it wrong because I only remember the first story! -

The Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz) is a superhero who appears in comic books published by DC Comics. Created by writer Joseph Samachson and artist Joe Certa, the character first appeared in Detective Comics #225 "The Manhunter From Mars" in November 1955.

Does anyone remember "Magnus Robot Fighter"?

Don't remember that one - but you reminded me of a group of four survivors of an atomic war called "The Atomic Knights". They wore medieval-like armor to protect them from the radiation. Probably DC Comics - I don't really remember any others except the Disney characters line.

According to Wikipedia, the super-simians appeared in the Flash comics -

Gorilla City is a fictional city in the DC Comics Universe. The city, hidden in the jungles of Africa, is home to a race of super-intelligent gorillas, that gained their powers from a meteorite...Gorilla City first appears in The Flash vol. 1 #106, (April 1959)...After an alien spacecraft crashes into the jungles of Africa, local gorillas become hyper-intelligent and acquire telepathic abilities. These gorillas form Gorilla City. The city led by Solovar quickly creates technology far surpassing that of humanity and cloaks itself from human society.

I saw a Hubley that looked like my old one except for the serrated hammer, so I must have had the 'fanner' version. The T-lock top break was familiar, but the one on eBay had enfraving/filigree/whatever it's called, and I don't recall that. It did have the cream & black grips. It was cool! I was disappointed that i didn't get the Mattel Fanner 50, but I grew to like the Hubley better.