Our United State Army Airforce History

[cirelaw]

Gunny you are my hero! I tracked the WW1 through the maker who made uniforms only during the 'First World War' for the army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuppenheimer Your historical perspecive is fabulous providing them a face to a cloth! I bought these after getting out of law school and they sat in many closets till last week when I ran the name on a pretty flight suit 'D.C. Jones. I found a very famous General and Head of the Joint Chiefs under 3 presidents. From now on I checking everything including pockets! ~~Eric

[GySgt1811]

Eric,

I'm going out on a limb here. That "Kuppenheimer" tag is not government contract. While Kuppenheimer made contract clothing in WW1, I believe the uniform blouse you have is a privately purchased item from this high quality civilian supplier. Generally, well to do Officers would order these to look snazzier than the high production government contract stuff. Notice the lay of the collar and its tab and the fit of the epaulets and the pocket flaps. I don't recognize the devices on the sleeve...some really old Doggie will have to chime in here.

(When I was at the NCO Academy at Quantico I went over into the 'ville and ordered a complete "Iron Suit" from one of the famous private tailors there who cater to the Marines. The fit was superb, and the price matched the fit!!!)

Waiting for John Sabato or Alinint to chime in here. I bow to their superior knowledge in almost all things, except cheap wine and 10 cent seegars. (JEEZ! This freakin' keyboard does NOT have a "cent" symbol!)

Guns

[cirelaw]

John I think your right. I'm posting the other. It is longer has no manufature label and different buttons. I just noticed an anchor buttons different from the ones above! Maybe marines?

[jagervw]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Some one had to protect the runways!! Sorry! Is this simular to your uniform?

I it very similar to my old one, E4, MOS: 19K

[cirelaw]

What are the 'E4, MOS:19K' ? Eric~

[John Sabato]

E4 = Enlisted Grade 4, same as a Corporal, or Specialist 4th Class (SP4) in the Army

MOS = Military Occupational Specialty

19K = Armor Crewman

[cirelaw]

Thank John! You know your stuff! Just what is a Military Occupational Specialist? It seems the Army had a lot of titles!! Good ole goverment jobs! Were you paid more? My Mom worked for the Navy 'N.A.V.I.L.C.O.up until her death in my first year of law school IN 1979 and was a GS 11 I think. Were they they paid on a simular scale?

[alanint]

Hi Eric,

It is "Military Occupational SPECIALTY". Basically, it is what you do, (your job) within the military.

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Thank John! You know your stuff! Just what is a Military Occupational Specialist? It seems the Army had a lot of titles!! Good ole goverment jobs! Were you paid more? My Mom worked for the Navy 'N.A.V.I.L.C.O.up until her death in my first year of law school IN 1979 and was a GS 11 I think. Were they they paid on a simular scale?

The federal government uses the civilian General Schedule (GS) pay scale.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-overs...eral-schedule/


The military uses completely different pay scales. One for enlisted pay grades, and one for the officers.

http://www.dfas.mil/dam/dfas/militar...yTable2014.pdf

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by alanint

Hi Eric,

It is "Military Occupational SPECIALTY". Basically, it is what you do, (your job) within the military.

As Doug states above, MOS is just a fancy name for "job title"...

[cirelaw]

Thank You Both! Every profession has its' own language! In law it was generally Latin! An example "RES IPSA LOQUITER" 'The facts speak for themselves'! Which was unusual! Our laws were based on English common law. Its present although often we never notice! Speaking of job titles for example the title 'Sheriff' was derived from old England. The word sheriff cam from 2 words. The first 'shire' means county and 'reeve' the Kings representative to collect taxes and solve petty disputes. He wasoften hated as he was also the tax collector! The shire reeve or sheriff One exception was Louisana has its' basis in the French Napoleanic code and is similar although different in some respects. Their Bar exam is brutal and takes over 20 hours!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Louisiana Eric

[GySgt1811]

Eric,

You're correct. That last blouse you've posted once belonged to a Jarhead.

Gunny John

PS. Bye the bye, Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Marines and Zoomies use different MOS designators. The Navy and Coast Guard "ratings" are actually nominal, in that for the most part, they tell you what the Sailor does, i.e., "Boatswain's Mate," "Electrician's Mate," "Yeoman", etc. They still have a numerical designator for administrative purposes as well as rank precedent; i.e. "0001" for a Boatswain, and "0025" for a Yeoman. All things being equal...rank (e-1, e-2, e-3, etc.) date of rank, etc... A Boatswain outranks a Yeoman. (Me. USN 1962 - 65)

The Army has its own and the other guys can fill you in.

The "Crotch" also has number precedent to denote which job is "more Important." A basic enlisted grunt is an "0311." I was a Tanker/Tank Commander..."1811"...although, as in the Army, you take on greater responsibility as you gain rank...e-1, e-2, e-3. When they kicked my arse out for being too old and infirm (50) I was a E-7 (pay grade) Gunnery Sergeant (Rank) my MOS was "1811" and my job was Platoon Sergeant. (Me. USMC 1979 - 92) Also, every Marine has a secondary MOS..."0311." A Marine is a Rifleman, first, last and always.

Only God Himself understands Air Force rank structure. Guns

[cirelaw]

Thanks Guns, I luv your description~~

[cirelaw]

I just found this patch with the uniforms. It looks medical?? The second is badly sown on a uniform~Please anyone? Eric

[GySgt1811]

Eric,

The top one is a "1st Class Hospital Corpsman." ( IIRC, during WW2, as well as before, the Rating was called "Pharmacist Mate." This "Doc" (term of GREAT respect given to HM's by Marines!) was a 1st Class Petty Officer, an E-6.

The second one is a "1st Class Stewards Mate." I've really never been at ease with this Rating. This Rating are basically servants, and when I was an "Anchor Clanker" only non-whites could hold this rating. Maybe Naval Officers were, back then, to...ah, what shall I say... to get their own coffee, or load their own dinner plate, or shine their own shoes...

It may have changed by now. I don't know.

Opps. Sorry about the rant. Hope this helps ID the patches for you.

As Always, All the Best,

Gunny John

PS. I think the Army and the Navy still use the differentiating phrase "Officers and Men." Not the Corps; just "Marines." In the field junior Marines eat first. And the most senior gets his chow issue last...and, from the same trough. It's a sin to eat before your snuffies eat! Only in the rear does higher rank eat first. I remember the first morning our unit had come back Stateside from Desert Storm and I and Gunny R. walked to the chow hall at LeJeune for Breakfast. We walked to the end of the very long line. And all our guys insisted that we move up to the front of the line. They remembered that we had always made sure that they got their chow first in the desert, and they would not stand for us not to have it first now.

Gunny R. and I realized it would be insulting to these wonderful Marines not to accept the gift/right that they insisted we take. Gunny R. and I were a little misty-eyed at that first breakfast back from the sh8t-hole. And that Marine Corps chow was GREAT!

I'll bet the other NCO's all have similar stories they could tell.

John

[cirelaw]

I really cherish you both. You both have restored a life to these garments. Like lugers each one has a story although most have be lost in time~ Thank You both for your service and commitment to our country!!! Eric