Hand Loading Ouch!!!! - Page 2

cirelaw · 03-20-2014, 06:55 PM

Seiger no luck with your method. Holding mag in left and covered with a face cloth allows you to use your protected thumb to not only draw down but hold down next to no effort as you load with your free hand~ it really works and the only way for me!!! Try it!!!

JTD · 03-20-2014, 07:13 PM

works great

lugerholsterrepair · 03-20-2014, 11:17 PM

Eric, Neil Young makes a loader that looks nothing like the original skate key, but works fantastic!!! Made for use, not show. He may have an extra one for sale, I do not know for sure, but ask, and you will see.....
He gave me one at the SOS, and it is pretty slick!
The man is a master craftsman, John

Fantastic! Yes..Neil is a fine craftsman..I didn't know he made these though!

ithacaartist · 03-21-2014, 12:21 AM

John, there's a "lip" inside the hole for the follower, right?

Eric, this might just do the job for you!

Here's the one I made for the mags for my Erma KGP69, contoured to the side of the mag, it works great. (In NY State, we're not supposed to load a mag with more than seven rounds, unless at a range or competition.)

JTD · 03-21-2014, 04:55 AM

Yes, their is a lip inside the hole. Jerry, I wish you could have been present there this year. There was much good discussion. Virginia? John & Mike

Neil Young · 03-21-2014, 07:43 AM

Yeah Jerry, I found the regular loading tool not too comfortable to use, so I decided to try to make one that was easier on the thumb. I think it worked out okay. While I was set up, I made a few extras. I don't plan on making any more though.

Sieger · 03-21-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Seiger no luck with your method. Holding mag in left and covered with a face cloth allows you to use your protected thumb to not only draw down but hold down next to no effort as you load with your free hand~ it really works and the only way for me!!! Try it!!!

Hi,

I can not load a full 8 rounds in a Luger magazine by holding it, freehand, in my left hand, while loading it, bullet by bullet with my right hand.

Different strokes for different folks, as they said in the 1970s, I guess.

Sieger

cirelaw · 03-27-2014, 09:28 AM

Neil sent me his loading tool made specically for lugers. It fits like a glove. The beauty is its simplicity~ No problem filling an entire mag!! Won't slip off! My Hero TKS ~~Eric

John Sabato · 03-27-2014, 10:58 AM

way to go Neil!

cirelaw · 03-27-2014, 02:39 PM

Definitly A great way cool luger tool!! Years ago I purchased this worthless piece of## from Midway! Its still being sold today! Its not sized for luger and never was!! "Caveat Emptor" Buyer Beware!! Eric

cirelaw · 05-02-2014, 06:12 PM

This week I'm fireing my first luger that George sent me. I tried out the loader and it work perfect! I'll take some pictures. Tks to all for your generous support!~~Eric

ChrisLL · 05-02-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

John, there's a "lip" inside the hole for the follower, right?

Eric, this might just do the job for you!

Here's the one I made for the mags for my Erma KGP69, contoured to the side of the mag, it works great. (In NY State, we're not supposed to load a mag with more than seven rounds, unless at a range or competition.)

ithicaartist - what material is that made from? May try making one myself. I have one from a Bersa 380 that works fine, but it is the type that you push down, load one shell, lift up, slide shell back, repeat; not quite as convenient as the follower style.

cirelaw · 05-02-2014, 07:26 PM

I'm not sure what medal he use. Its solid maybe steel. We have to ask Neil my hero!!

ithacaartist · 05-02-2014, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisLL

ithicaartist - what material is that made from? May try making one myself...

Chris, It's plain ol' mild steel, mig welded curved handle, ground to fit the thumb comfortably and ground on the back side to match the contours of these mags. KGP 69 factory mags have a concave channel instead of straight flat sides, and the factory loading tool kept slipping off, mostly 'cause it's flat on the back side, with nothing to keep it lined up/oriented. Also, the originals have a simple hole punched in them for the follower button. Experience showed that a little bit of a lip, like the Luger loading tools, keeps it hooked on; so my creation has one. It is thinner than the Luger tool's lip because there's not as much clearance behind the Erma follower buttons. If you don't have a mill to offset the hole, thereby creating the "lip", just go at it with a carbide bit on a Dremel or Foredom.

The lovely fire-blue/blackened color came right out of the toaster oven, set on "toast" for 10-15 min.

George Anderson · 05-02-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

This week I'm fireing my first luger that George sent me. I tried out the loader and it work perfect! I'll take some pictures. Tks to all for your generous support!~~Eric

Eric, remember...first loading. Only two rounds!

cirelaw · 05-02-2014, 09:12 PM

Got it tks

ChrisLL · 05-02-2014, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Chris, It's plain ol' mild steel, mig welded curved handle, ground to fit the thumb comfortably and ground on the back side to match the contours of these mags. KGP 69 factory mags have a concave channel instead of straight flat sides, and the factory loading tool kept slipping off, mostly 'cause it's flat on the back side, with nothing to keep it lined up/oriented. Also, the originals have a simple hole punched in them for the follower button. Experience showed that a little bit of a lip, like the Luger loading tools, keeps it hooked on; so my creation has one. It is thinner than the Luger tool's lip because there's not as much clearance behind the Erma follower buttons. If you don't have a mill to offset the hole, thereby creating the "lip", just go at it with a carbide bit on a Dremel or Foredom.

The lovely fire-blue/blackened color came right out of the toaster oven, set on "toast" for 10-15 min.

I like it, looks like it works great and has a lot of character. Love the heat/coloring treatment! Good suggestion on the lip, I imagine that makes a big difference. Thanks.

cirelaw · 05-02-2014, 09:18 PM

Somebody has to go commercial. The one they sell is a cheap piece of crap!

John Sabato · 05-06-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Somebody has to go commercial. The one they sell is a cheap piece of ship!!!!

Eric, sometimes your unintentional misspellings are a blessing in disguise

... I hate having to edit someone else's posts because they slipped and let a "bad" word get posted...

cirelaw · 05-06-2014, 10:37 AM

John I intentionaly typed "ship" in deference and respect to all and changed my post! It was still a rip off!~~~Eric

03-20-2014, 07:13 PM	#22
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 217 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	neil's tool pics works great Attached Thumbnails

03-20-2014, 11:17 PM	#23
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Eric, Neil Young makes a loader that looks nothing like the original skate key, but works fantastic!!! Made for use, not show. He may have an extra one for sale, I do not know for sure, but ask, and you will see..... He gave me one at the SOS, and it is pretty slick! The man is a master craftsman, John Fantastic! Yes..Neil is a fine craftsman..I didn't know he made these though! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-21-2014, 12:21 AM	#24
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 7,043 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	John, there's a "lip" inside the hole for the follower, right? Eric, this might just do the job for you! Here's the one I made for the mags for my Erma KGP69, contoured to the side of the mag, it works great. (In NY State, we're not supposed to load a mag with more than seven rounds, unless at a range or competition.) Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-21-2014, 07:43 AM	#26
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Yeah Jerry, I found the regular loading tool not too comfortable to use, so I decided to try to make one that was easier on the thumb. I think it worked out okay. While I was set up, I made a few extras. I don't plan on making any more though. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

03-27-2014, 09:28 AM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Perfection By Neil Young! Neil sent me his loading tool made specically for lugers. It fits like a glove. The beauty is its simplicity~ No problem filling an entire mag!! Won't slip off! My Hero TKS ~~Eric Attached Thumbnails

03-20-2014, 06:55 PM	#21
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Seiger no luck with your method. Holding mag in left and covered with a face cloth allows you to use your protected thumb to not only draw down but hold down next to no effort as you load with your free hand~ it really works and the only way for me!!! Try it!!!

03-21-2014, 04:55 AM	#25
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 217 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Yes, their is a lip inside the hole. Jerry, I wish you could have been present there this year. There was much good discussion. Virginia? John & Mike

03-27-2014, 10:58 AM	#29
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	way to go Neil! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-27-2014, 02:39 PM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Don't Buy The One On Midway!! Definitly A great way cool luger tool!! Years ago I purchased this worthless piece of## from Midway! Its still being sold today! Its not sized for luger and never was!! "Caveat Emptor" Buyer Beware!! Eric Attached Thumbnails

05-02-2014, 06:12 PM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This week I'm fireing my first luger that George sent me. I tried out the loader and it work perfect! I'll take some pictures. Tks to all for your generous support!~~Eric

05-02-2014, 07:26 PM	#33
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I'm not sure what medal he use. Its solid maybe steel. We have to ask Neil my hero!!

05-02-2014, 09:12 PM	#36
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Got it tks

05-02-2014, 09:18 PM	#38
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Somebody has to go commercial. The one they sell is a cheap piece of crap! Last edited by cirelaw; 05-06-2014 at 01:28 PM.

05-06-2014, 10:37 AM	#40
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	John I intentionaly typed "ship" in deference and respect to all and changed my post! It was still a rip off!~~~Eric Last edited by cirelaw; 05-06-2014 at 01:36 PM.