Interesting finds after shooting my 1900 AE - Page 2

regul · 09-07-2012, 10:30 PM

Skeeter
I work for/own a small company York River NDE, Inc. www.yorkriverndt.com here in West Point, VA. Most of our work is in the Pulp & Paper Industry. I started off in the early 80's with Industrial NDT, Inc. then Nova Data Testing Labs, Inc. then went out on my own in 2005.
Thanks
Ed

nukem556 · 09-07-2012, 10:32 PM

Skeeter....if you ever get over here Columbia way, there are several gunshops that have Fiocchi .30 Luger for 22.00 a box. I have a 1900 Commercial that functions well, but like you, i feel the leaf spring should have more tension.

You're putting the tape in the wrong place....look at the assembled gun as if you are looking thru the rear sight..the very rear of the toggle has a projecting "tang" that sticks out...immediately below that you will see impact marks on the bluing of the frame where that tang hits at full recoil.

Ron Wood · 09-07-2012, 10:34 PM

Use a piece of masking tape on the rear of the frame just under the rear projection of the toggle, not the breechblock. The opening motion of the toggle is stopped by the little projection on the very end of the rear toggle link striking the frame. The masking tape test is a firing test. With the masking tape in that location three things can happen 1) if the mainspring is too strong there will be little or no impression on the masking tape; 2) if the mainspring is about right there will be a light impression on the masking tape; 3) if the mainspring is too weak there will be a strong impression on the tape and sometimes it is even cut.

regul · 09-07-2012, 10:35 PM

Skeeter
I work for/own a small company York River NDE, Inc. www.yorkrivernde.com here in West Point, VA. Most of our work is in the Pulp & Paper and Chemical Industrys. I started off in the early 80's with Industrial NDT, Inc. then Nova Data Testing Labs, Inc. then went out on my own in 2005.
Thanks
Ed

skeeter4206 · 09-08-2012, 12:26 AM

Ron,
I was refering to the comment in item #19 for the breach block and the scotch tape. Karl had the same issue with the toggle not closing all the way. His problem was the leak spring dragging on the breach block. I was with you on the tape on the back of the gun.

Me being still new to some of the names of the gun parts. Im still confused on what exactly is the breach block. I was just calling the whole toggle linkage, the toggle linkage. So when Karl mentioned breach block I was a little confused.

So... if someone can help put my finger on that part.
Thanks
Skeeter

Karl · 09-08-2012, 12:32 AM

Glen,

I call the breach block the front part of the toggle assembly that includes the firing pin housing and the extractor.
KFS

skeeter4206 · 09-08-2012, 12:59 AM

Gotcha! we are on the same page then. Thats the section I put the tape on when going through the motions of the toggle.

No signs of wear on the tape from the spring.

Thanks Karl

09-07-2012, 10:34 PM	#23
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	Use a piece of masking tape on the rear of the frame just under the rear projection of the toggle, not the breechblock. The opening motion of the toggle is stopped by the little projection on the very end of the rear toggle link striking the frame. The masking tape test is a firing test. With the masking tape in that location three things can happen 1) if the mainspring is too strong there will be little or no impression on the masking tape; 2) if the mainspring is about right there will be a light impression on the masking tape; 3) if the mainspring is too weak there will be a strong impression on the tape and sometimes it is even cut. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-07-2012, 10:30 PM	#21
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Skeeter I work for/own a small company York River NDE, Inc. www.yorkriverndt.com here in West Point, VA. Most of our work is in the Pulp & Paper Industry. I started off in the early 80's with Industrial NDT, Inc. then Nova Data Testing Labs, Inc. then went out on my own in 2005. Thanks Ed

09-07-2012, 10:32 PM	#22
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Skeeter....if you ever get over here Columbia way, there are several gunshops that have Fiocchi .30 Luger for 22.00 a box. I have a 1900 Commercial that functions well, but like you, i feel the leaf spring should have more tension. You're putting the tape in the wrong place....look at the assembled gun as if you are looking thru the rear sight..the very rear of the toggle has a projecting "tang" that sticks out...immediately below that you will see impact marks on the bluing of the frame where that tang hits at full recoil.

09-07-2012, 10:35 PM	#24
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Skeeter I work for/own a small company York River NDE, Inc. www.yorkrivernde.com here in West Point, VA. Most of our work is in the Pulp & Paper and Chemical Industrys. I started off in the early 80's with Industrial NDT, Inc. then Nova Data Testing Labs, Inc. then went out on my own in 2005. Thanks Ed

09-08-2012, 12:26 AM	#25
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Ron, I was refering to the comment in item #19 for the breach block and the scotch tape. Karl had the same issue with the toggle not closing all the way. His problem was the leak spring dragging on the breach block. I was with you on the tape on the back of the gun. Me being still new to some of the names of the gun parts. Im still confused on what exactly is the breach block. I was just calling the whole toggle linkage, the toggle linkage. So when Karl mentioned breach block I was a little confused. So... if someone can help put my finger on that part. Thanks Skeeter

09-08-2012, 12:32 AM	#26
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 271 Times in 118 Posts	Glen, I call the breach block the front part of the toggle assembly that includes the firing pin housing and the extractor. KFS

09-08-2012, 12:59 AM	#27
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Gotcha! we are on the same page then. Thats the section I put the tape on when going through the motions of the toggle. No signs of wear on the tape from the spring. Thanks Karl