M1 carbine - Page 2

sheepherder · 07-21-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rolandtg

Keith worked on developing the cartridge, Wesson contributed as well.

Some years back, someone made a lengthened .357 and IIRC called it the .357 Maximum...And someone else lengthened *that*, and called it the .357...something...

I think that S&W made some revolvers to handle the new extended .357 magnum cartridges, but there were concerns with erosion of the chambers...

Anyone know whatever happened to these super-.357 magnums???

Patronen · 07-21-2012, 07:34 PM

The .357 Maximum is still being used by a select few of followers. Mostly Single-shot reloader type guys. Over on some of the other gun forums there are guys reaming out handi-rifle chambers to .357 Maximum.

What was that wildcat M1-carbine cartridge?
I'm thinking 5.7 Johnson maybe?

Vlim · 07-21-2012, 07:48 PM

Coincidentally, this came with a batch of collector ammunition recently. The box is full and in mint condition.

MikeP · 07-21-2012, 09:07 PM

I was forced to carry a M2 my 1st few months in RVN-wimpy POS.
All our CIDG guys had them.
Charlie had them.

I was next to a guy who took a through and through carbine hit to his shoulder.
He said he felt nothing but his arm was numbed for a couple minutes.

Just not really effective as a combat weapon fom my experience.

rolandtg · 07-21-2012, 11:06 PM

The carbine was never meant to be a front-line combat rifle. The original idea was to was to develop a light rifle that was more effective (more accurate, greater magazine capacity) than a pistol that could be carried by support and rear-area troops.
Although once in the field it ended up up being issued to many other troops in all conditions.

Reports from Korea were particularly critical of the carbine where it performed poorly in the cold weather and was in many cases ineffective against the heavy winter clothing worn by the Chinese troops.

It was criticized again in Viet Nam where it was issued in large numbers to ARVN troops and was found to be ineffective in jungle conditions where the .30 round was incapable of penetrating the dense undergrowth.
However, it was probably "handier" in those same conditions than the much longer and heavier M14 that was the standard rifle until it was eventually replaced by the M16.

Although in hindsight it wasn't a great combat weapon, its small size, mild recoil, and magazine capacity are exactly what make the M1 Carbine a great "plinker" and a fun rifle to shoot now!

And Vlim, that's a great box of ammo! I've only ever seen pictures of them in books.

Curly1 · 07-22-2012, 12:17 AM

I consider it a good in-house defense gun due to it's size weight and 15/30 round mag capacity.

Fazer · 07-22-2012, 04:44 AM

We always had carbines and Garands, and 03A3s around the house. The old man used to "find" 20 gallan drums of ammo for them. Never did find out where it actually came from, but it was always there. There wasn't much money around, so it couldn't have cost him much. Looking back he was probably trading stuff from work for it.

If you wantd to go shooting Sunday, you had to find time on Saturday to load magazines and enblocks or you were left behind.

Mauser720 · 07-22-2012, 04:16 PM

The M-1 Carbine was the weapon of choice for Audie Murphy during WWII. It suited his smaller frame.

(And that is also the reason it was popular with many asians. The M-1 Rifle was frequently a little too big for them to handle comfortably.)

Audie was the most decorated American soldier during the war.

He is credited with killing 241 German soldiers during the war, most/many with the M-1 Carbine.

He personally stalked and killed 7 German snipers with it.

His book about his experiences during the war, "To Hell And Back" is well worth reading.

The company in which Murphy served started out the war with 235 men, and by the end of the war, only Murphy and a sergeant were left out of the original 235 men.

As I recall, the maximum effective range was originally listed as 300 yards.

lugersrkewl · 07-27-2012, 01:59 PM

bought an auto ordinance for 400 . pretty much junk. jammed every round the stock was poorly fit . but a buddy gave me an original sprinfield stock with the flaming bomb cartouche wich made the experience worthwhile.

Mauser720 · 07-27-2012, 02:45 PM

All of them will jam if the bolt/receiver area is too dry. Synthetic lubricants on the bolt, lug, roller, rod, etc. will often completely solve any jamming problem.

07-21-2012, 07:34 PM	#22
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	The .357 Maximum is still being used by a select few of followers. Mostly Single-shot reloader type guys. Over on some of the other gun forums there are guys reaming out handi-rifle chambers to .357 Maximum. What was that wildcat M1-carbine cartridge? I'm thinking 5.7 Johnson maybe? __________________ Dave

07-21-2012, 07:48 PM	#23
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Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 116 Thanked 706 Times in 368 Posts	I consider it a good in-house defense gun due to it's size weight and 15/30 round mag capacity. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-22-2012, 04:16 PM	#28
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	M-1 Carbine and Audie Murphy The M-1 Carbine was the weapon of choice for Audie Murphy during WWII. It suited his smaller frame. (And that is also the reason it was popular with many asians. The M-1 Rifle was frequently a little too big for them to handle comfortably.) Audie was the most decorated American soldier during the war. He is credited with killing 241 German soldiers during the war, most/many with the M-1 Carbine. He personally stalked and killed 7 German snipers with it. His book about his experiences during the war, "To Hell And Back" is well worth reading. The company in which Murphy served started out the war with 235 men, and by the end of the war, only Murphy and a sergeant were left out of the original 235 men. As I recall, the maximum effective range was originally listed as 300 yards. __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

07-27-2012, 02:45 PM	#30
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	All of them will jam if the bolt/receiver area is too dry. Synthetic lubricants on the bolt, lug, roller, rod, etc. will often completely solve any jamming problem. __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

07-21-2012, 09:07 PM	#24
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I was forced to carry a M2 my 1st few months in RVN-wimpy POS. All our CIDG guys had them. Charlie had them. I was next to a guy who took a through and through carbine hit to his shoulder. He said he felt nothing but his arm was numbed for a couple minutes. Just not really effective as a combat weapon fom my experience.

07-21-2012, 11:06 PM	#25
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 476 Thanks: 374 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	The carbine was never meant to be a front-line combat rifle. The original idea was to was to develop a light rifle that was more effective (more accurate, greater magazine capacity) than a pistol that could be carried by support and rear-area troops. Although once in the field it ended up up being issued to many other troops in all conditions. Reports from Korea were particularly critical of the carbine where it performed poorly in the cold weather and was in many cases ineffective against the heavy winter clothing worn by the Chinese troops. It was criticized again in Viet Nam where it was issued in large numbers to ARVN troops and was found to be ineffective in jungle conditions where the .30 round was incapable of penetrating the dense undergrowth. However, it was probably "handier" in those same conditions than the much longer and heavier M14 that was the standard rifle until it was eventually replaced by the M16. Although in hindsight it wasn't a great combat weapon, its small size, mild recoil, and magazine capacity are exactly what make the M1 Carbine a great "plinker" and a fun rifle to shoot now! And Vlim, that's a great box of ammo! I've only ever seen pictures of them in books.

07-22-2012, 04:44 AM	#27
Fazer Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, West Oz Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	We always had carbines and Garands, and 03A3s around the house. The old man used to "find" 20 gallan drums of ammo for them. Never did find out where it actually came from, but it was always there. There wasn't much money around, so it couldn't have cost him much. Looking back he was probably trading stuff from work for it. If you wantd to go shooting Sunday, you had to find time on Saturday to load magazines and enblocks or you were left behind.

07-27-2012, 01:59 PM	#29
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	bought an auto ordinance for 400 . pretty much junk. jammed every round the stock was poorly fit . but a buddy gave me an original sprinfield stock with the flaming bomb cartouche wich made the experience worthwhile.