K date rig, all matching - Page 2

kpf · 01-09-2013, 11:34 AM

Here is my Norwegian tool

Regards

Kai

Norway

CJS57 · 06-16-2012, 06:53 AM

How does one fake an entire Luger? Do you start with an unmarked "sneak" and then make all the many stamps to remark it? Or do you hand cut the markings? What about the finishing? Can anyone refinish a Luger ( blue, halos, straw, tin plating, and aluminum) such that our experts here cannot tell? If it can fool the experts, how would anyone ever know? I am machine shop trained and have examined 500,000 and sold 10,000 collector guns over the last 50 years so I am not a beginner. Just curious how faking an entire gun is done?

andwaahs · 06-16-2012, 01:11 PM

If I am right the first alarm bell rang with the tool being Norwegian, why on earth would the faker, who seems to know exactly how to make a convincing copy, allow themself to be caught out by the machine marks on a tool?
surely they would attempt to "buff" them out or something?

Please dont flame me for this observation, just hard to work out in my newby mind.

I feel sympathy for Myky as the horror of realising you have been tricked must be gut wrenching and difficult to swallow, lets hope he comes back to the post when he is ready

Leon DeSpain · 06-16-2012, 01:15 PM

Hi,

I'm not attempting to comment on the subject gun but some amazing work has been done faking Lugers. A very long time collector bought the pistol in the following link and was convinced it was right. I borrowed it and took the pictures in the link. Let me know what you think.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0137.html

Regards, Leon

andwaahs · 06-16-2012, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon DeSpain

Hi,

I'm not attempting to comment on the subject gun but some amazing work has been done faking Lugers. A very long time collector bought the pistol in the following link and was convinced it was right. I borrowed it and took the pictures in the link. Let me know what you think.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0137.html

Regards, Leon

Well there are indeed some differences there, subtle but there non the less..

alanint · 06-16-2012, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon DeSpain

Hi,

I'm not attempting to comment on the subject gun but some amazing work has been done faking Lugers. A very long time collector bought the pistol in the following link and was convinced it was right. I borrowed it and took the pictures in the link. Let me know what you think.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0137.html

Regards, Leon

All those proofs appear to have been engraved, rather than stamped.

George Anderson · 06-16-2012, 05:38 PM

Sometimes they just float them on a collectors' website like this one.

Leon DeSpain · 06-16-2012, 06:29 PM

Yes, there is more to the story also that I will relate after more have examined it.

Regards, Leon

A.Mifsin · 06-17-2012, 02:46 AM

"All K dates, without exception, have sharp edged barrel bands. "

Any chance of having a closeup photo of the above please?
Thanks.
Alf

Jan C Still · 06-17-2012, 03:27 AM

Leon
In addition to the things previously mentiomed,
the 8.82 on the barrel should have a comma 8,82 instead of a period.
Jan

Jan C Still · 06-17-2012, 03:38 AM

Here is a link to a detailed discussion of the K Date:
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...r-Data-Request

Jan

Leon DeSpain · 06-17-2012, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan C Still

Leon
In addition to the things previously mentiomed,
the 8.82 on the barrel should have a comma 8,82 instead of a period.
Jan

Hi Jan,

Yes, I have some text comments under some of the pictures. I did mention that. It's strange that with all the work that was put into that pistol, they would miss using a comma.

In particular, notice the style of the E/655 that is the barrel inspection stamp at 10 o'clock just in front of the receiver.

Regards, Leon

Frank Scarcello · 06-17-2012, 09:33 PM

Have a k frame also calf give me a call

sheepherder · 08-12-2012, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Scarcello

Have a k frame also calf give me a call

I missed this when it was posted - Frank, what is a 'calf'???

pitsword · 08-12-2012, 07:30 PM

Richie, a calf is either a young heifer or a young bull. Remember that a young bull poops and as it grows it makes bulls**t. Maybe that is what Frank is telling you.

NoncomRetired · 01-09-2013, 02:17 PM

This thread has been very "edjamakational", proving, you're never too old to learn something new.

01-09-2013, 11:34 AM	#1
kpf User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Finnøy, Norway Posts: 75 Thanks: 78 Thanked 36 Times in 10 Posts	My Norw tool Here is my Norwegian tool Regards Kai Norway

06-17-2012, 02:46 AM	#9
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	"All K dates, without exception, have sharp edged barrel bands. " Any chance of having a closeup photo of the above please? Thanks. Alf __________________ I prefer a Luger

06-17-2012, 09:33 PM	#13
Frank Scarcello New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	K frame Have a k frame also calf give me a call

06-16-2012, 06:53 AM	#2
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	How does one fake an entire Luger? Do you start with an unmarked "sneak" and then make all the many stamps to remark it? Or do you hand cut the markings? What about the finishing? Can anyone refinish a Luger ( blue, halos, straw, tin plating, and aluminum) such that our experts here cannot tell? If it can fool the experts, how would anyone ever know? I am machine shop trained and have examined 500,000 and sold 10,000 collector guns over the last 50 years so I am not a beginner. Just curious how faking an entire gun is done?

06-16-2012, 01:11 PM	#3
andwaahs User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Norway Posts: 85 Thanks: 41 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	If I am right the first alarm bell rang with the tool being Norwegian, why on earth would the faker, who seems to know exactly how to make a convincing copy, allow themself to be caught out by the machine marks on a tool? surely they would attempt to "buff" them out or something? Please dont flame me for this observation, just hard to work out in my newby mind. I feel sympathy for Myky as the horror of realising you have been tricked must be gut wrenching and difficult to swallow, lets hope he comes back to the post when he is ready

06-16-2012, 01:15 PM	#4
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi, I'm not attempting to comment on the subject gun but some amazing work has been done faking Lugers. A very long time collector bought the pistol in the following link and was convinced it was right. I borrowed it and took the pictures in the link. Let me know what you think. http://lmd-militaria.com/page0137.html Regards, Leon

06-16-2012, 05:38 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Sometimes they just float them on a collectors' website like this one.

06-16-2012, 06:29 PM	#8
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Yes, there is more to the story also that I will relate after more have examined it. Regards, Leon

06-17-2012, 03:27 AM	#10
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Leon In addition to the things previously mentiomed, the 8.82 on the barrel should have a comma 8,82 instead of a period. Jan

06-17-2012, 03:38 AM	#11
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Here is a link to a detailed discussion of the K Date: http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...r-Data-Request Jan

08-12-2012, 07:30 PM	#15
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Richie, a calf is either a young heifer or a young bull. Remember that a young bull poops and as it grows it makes bulls**t. Maybe that is what Frank is telling you.

01-09-2013, 02:17 PM	#16
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	This thread has been very "edjamakational", proving, you're never too old to learn something new.