new owner needs basic help// - Page 2

LugerVern · 11-29-2009, 02:31 AM

Would like to see close up picture of barrel SN.

On this gun it would be interesting to see a picture of the Barrel to Frame witness mark.

thanks

Vern

lasnyders · 11-29-2009, 09:22 AM

and there is a ser no. on the side of the take down plate

lasnyders · 11-29-2009, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveM

It appears that you have 4-500 bucks worth of mags..as long as the other sides look like the pics and the bases ae not chipped or gouged.

i am a little confused- what do you mean "4-500 bucks worth of mags"?

alanint · 11-29-2009, 02:08 PM

The two magazines you pictured are both a desirable variation. If they look as nice on the other side they are worth $200-$250 each...

lasnyders · 11-29-2009, 05:04 PM

they are both in perfect shape. So with all the input and discussion, do I have a shooter or something more? Also what should I do about cleaning the gun up and removing the surface rust. Should I also clean the holster? the date on it shows 1939 and it has the original metal tool that is in the pocket. Any idea on value?

MFC · 11-29-2009, 05:08 PM

Larry,
Look on the bottom edge of the takedown lever and sideplate for the last two digits '61'.
Pic shows location.
It looks like the suffix of the replaced barrel is not the same as the frame.

LugerVern · 11-29-2009, 05:34 PM

Side by side of suffixes.

fonts on the barrel are slightly different than the receiver.

The witness mark is not real clear but it looks aligned but not the same strike. I could be wrong.

Interesting gun

Vern

lasnyders · 11-29-2009, 06:09 PM

the numbers on the edge and the side of the takedown plate as well as all the parts on the gun are the same - 61. ALSO here is a picture of the right side of the gun which I had not attached before.

lasnyders · 12-01-2009, 07:32 AM

In the post 2 below this one "new owner needs basic help" I have received a lot of input that was very informative. I have a couple last questions.
- Is this gun a shooter or is it more a collector?
- What year is it?
-Any speculation on value with the holster, 2 clips and gun?

THANKS,
Larry

DavidJayUden · 12-01-2009, 08:23 AM

L:
I'm not seeing a link, however one man's shooter is another man's collector. The bar is a bit higher here on this board but generally original finish with mostly matching #'s is a "looker" and seems a shame to risk breaking. The secret is to own several. Some to look at and at least one to shoot.
DJU

lasnyders · 12-01-2009, 08:36 AM

Its 3 posts below this one- titled "New owner needs basic help"

DavidJayUden · 12-01-2009, 10:13 AM

If I were buying I'd try to get it for $1000; selling maybe $1400. Probably not what you wanted to hear. Maybe others value it higher. We'll see.
DJU

Norme · 12-01-2009, 10:25 AM

Hi Larry, Your gun was made in early 1929 using an illegal 9mm barrel made during WWI. The magazines were made in1941/42. This Luger has had an interesting history, (I can hear you saying "yeah, but you can't eat history!), and if I owned it I would not shoot it. Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 12-01-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasnyders

Its 3 posts below this one- titled "New owner needs basic help"

I merged the posts, if you are going to refer to a previous posting, it is best to post a link or simply add to that same posting.

Admin

sheepherder · 12-01-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Your gun was made in early 1929 using an illegal 9mm barrel made during WWI.

Norm - Please explain why this particular 9mm barrel was made illegally...Us new guys don't know why, and we're too embarrassed to ask...

alvin · 12-01-2009, 05:59 PM

"By law.... by whose law? If you follow Chiang Kai-shek's law, how can you overthrow him?" -- Chairman Mao

If German had followed everything that Allied wanted, there would be no WWII. Who knows, maybe that's not a bad option.

Norme · 12-01-2009, 06:33 PM

Hi Larry, Under the terms of the armistice agreement that ended WWI, Germany was severely restricted in the amount of military weapons it could possess. 9mm. was considered a military caliber. Germany chaffed at these restrictions and rearmed in secret, until 1936, when they were strong enough to defy the allies. Regards, Norm

lasnyders · 12-01-2009, 07:12 PM

Thanks for the info. I have no intentions of firing or selling it. Per numerous instructions on this board I have cleaned up the Grips, disassembled and cleaned the gun and cleaned the holster. It's really a beautiful piece. Can someone describe how the tool in the holster works (what the heck it's for- loading the magazine I think?) What a masterpiece of engineering.

suum cuique · 12-01-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasnyders

Thanks for the info. I have no intentions of firing or selling it. Per numerous instructions on this board I have cleaned up the Grips, disassembled and cleaned the gun and cleaned the holster. It's really a beautiful piece. Can someone describe how the tool in the holster works (what the heck it's for- loading the magazine I think?) What a masterpiece of engineering.

this video is self explaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BexsgU87mYg

11-29-2009, 09:22 AM	#22
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here you go.. and there is a ser no. on the side of the take down plate Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 05:04 PM	#25
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wow- great since... they are both in perfect shape. So with all the input and discussion, do I have a shooter or something more? Also what should I do about cleaning the gun up and removing the surface rust. Should I also clean the holster? the date on it shows 1939 and it has the original metal tool that is in the pocket. Any idea on value?

11-29-2009, 05:08 PM	#26
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Larry, Look on the bottom edge of the takedown lever and sideplate for the last two digits '61'. Pic shows location. It looks like the suffix of the replaced barrel is not the same as the frame. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mike C.

11-29-2009, 05:34 PM	#27
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Side by side of suffixes. fonts on the barrel are slightly different than the receiver. The witness mark is not real clear but it looks aligned but not the same strike. I could be wrong. Interesting gun Vern Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 06:09 PM	#28
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	matching numbers.. the numbers on the edge and the side of the takedown plate as well as all the parts on the gun are the same - 61. ALSO here is a picture of the right side of the gun which I had not attached before. Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 02:31 AM	#21
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Would like to see close up picture of barrel SN. On this gun it would be interesting to see a picture of the Barrel to Frame witness mark. thanks Vern

11-29-2009, 02:08 PM	#24
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The two magazines you pictured are both a desirable variation. If they look as nice on the other side they are worth $200-$250 each...

12-01-2009, 07:32 AM	#29
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	so the boards verdict is?... In the post 2 below this one "new owner needs basic help" I have received a lot of input that was very informative. I have a couple last questions. - Is this gun a shooter or is it more a collector? - What year is it? -Any speculation on value with the holster, 2 clips and gun? THANKS, Larry

12-01-2009, 08:23 AM	#30
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	L: I'm not seeing a link, however one man's shooter is another man's collector. The bar is a bit higher here on this board but generally original finish with mostly matching #'s is a "looker" and seems a shame to risk breaking. The secret is to own several. Some to look at and at least one to shoot. DJU

12-01-2009, 08:36 AM	#31
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Its 3 posts below this one- titled "New owner needs basic help"

12-01-2009, 10:13 AM	#32
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	If I were buying I'd try to get it for $1000; selling maybe $1400. Probably not what you wanted to hear. Maybe others value it higher. We'll see. DJU

12-01-2009, 10:25 AM	#33
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Larry, Your gun was made in early 1929 using an illegal 9mm barrel made during WWI. The magazines were made in1941/42. This Luger has had an interesting history, (I can hear you saying "yeah, but you can't eat history!), and if I owned it I would not shoot it. Regards, Norm

12-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#36
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	"By law.... by whose law? If you follow Chiang Kai-shek's law, how can you overthrow him?" -- Chairman Mao If German had followed everything that Allied wanted, there would be no WWII. Who knows, maybe that's not a bad option.

12-01-2009, 06:33 PM	#37
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Larry, Under the terms of the armistice agreement that ended WWI, Germany was severely restricted in the amount of military weapons it could possess. 9mm. was considered a military caliber. Germany chaffed at these restrictions and rearmed in secret, until 1936, when they were strong enough to defy the allies. Regards, Norm

12-01-2009, 07:12 PM	#38
lasnyders User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info. I have no intentions of firing or selling it. Per numerous instructions on this board I have cleaned up the Grips, disassembled and cleaned the gun and cleaned the holster. It's really a beautiful piece. Can someone describe how the tool in the holster works (what the heck it's for- loading the magazine I think?) What a masterpiece of engineering.