41 - 42 Grip Question - Page 2

Pete Ebbink · 01-01-2008, 12:28 AM

Another one to watch on auction...

It even has an HK-proofed holster with Norwegian mod's...

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8411138

Pete Ebbink · 01-21-2008, 11:56 AM

More E/655 grips on eBay...with ink marks BUT also with 2-digit SN stamping as well...

I was really excited to see "58" but then forgot your gun has "98"...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-WW2-GER...QQcmdZViewItem

This other grip of the pair seems to have a much longer number inked in...maybe a SSN ???

Mauser720 · 01-21-2008, 12:14 PM

And interestingly, it even looks like who ever put the ink marks on the back of these grips was using the same type of marker that was used on my pair!

Thank you!

Pete Ebbink · 01-29-2008, 12:40 PM

Ron,

Another pair of Mauser grips with ink-marked SN's :

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=1638444

These are E/135 stamped...

A.Mifsin · 01-29-2008, 03:09 PM

I believe that you have a rare Luger, only 7000, 42 - 41 ( 41 is the date )Lugers were made, Range of serial number 2500n -6700r. The magazine should be type 3 Army blued extruded 122 code.
And as far as I know they all went to the Russian front.
Alf

Mauser720 · 01-29-2008, 06:54 PM

Pete -

I guess these ink marked Mauser grips are not that uncommon. And the one in the photograph you have provided appears to have been numbered with the same type of felt tipped marker that my own pair have been marked with. The concensus is that this was not done by the Germans because this type of marker was not in use then. So I can not help wondering when these ink marks were created, and perhaps by whom. It is tempting to say that they are not original to the gun; however, other collectors have told me they are original to their guns too.

Alf -

I was not aware that most of these 41-42 Lugers are thought to have gone to the Eastern Front as a result of Operation Barbarossa. The operational orders for Barbarossa were generated in January of 1941 which is also the same time that the 41-42 Lugers were being made. So is there reliable documentation for this diversion to the Eastern Front, or is this just educated speculation?

Mauser720 - Ron

A.Mifsin · 01-30-2008, 04:18 AM

Ron, the 41-42 code started in January. In February the 42 code was changed to byf code, that is why there are so few of this Luger.
It makes sense that at the beginning of such a campaign all available pistols were needed and the 41-42 were fresh from production.
And adding to that I read it some time ago, but I can't remember where, I will try to find the source and post it back to you.
Alf

Mauser720 · 01-30-2008, 01:29 PM

Alf -

Thank you!

Ron

01-21-2008, 12:14 PM	#23
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	And interestingly, it even looks like who ever put the ink marks on the back of these grips was using the same type of marker that was used on my pair! Thank you! __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

01-29-2008, 03:09 PM	#25
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	I believe that you have a rare Luger, only 7000, 42 - 41 ( 41 is the date )Lugers were made, Range of serial number 2500n -6700r. The magazine should be type 3 Army blued extruded 122 code. And as far as I know they all went to the Russian front. Alf __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-29-2008, 06:54 PM	#26
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Pete - I guess these ink marked Mauser grips are not that uncommon. And the one in the photograph you have provided appears to have been numbered with the same type of felt tipped marker that my own pair have been marked with. The concensus is that this was not done by the Germans because this type of marker was not in use then. So I can not help wondering when these ink marks were created, and perhaps by whom. It is tempting to say that they are not original to the gun; however, other collectors have told me they are original to their guns too. Alf - I was not aware that most of these 41-42 Lugers are thought to have gone to the Eastern Front as a result of Operation Barbarossa. The operational orders for Barbarossa were generated in January of 1941 which is also the same time that the 41-42 Lugers were being made. So is there reliable documentation for this diversion to the Eastern Front, or is this just educated speculation? Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

01-30-2008, 04:18 AM	#27
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Ron, the 41-42 code started in January. In February the 42 code was changed to byf code, that is why there are so few of this Luger. It makes sense that at the beginning of such a campaign all available pistols were needed and the 41-42 were fresh from production. And adding to that I read it some time ago, but I can't remember where, I will try to find the source and post it back to you. Alf __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-30-2008, 01:29 PM	#28
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Alf - Thank you! Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

01-01-2008, 12:28 AM	#21
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Another one to watch on auction... It even has an HK-proofed holster with Norwegian mod's... http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8411138

01-21-2008, 11:56 AM	#22
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	More E/655 grips on eBay...with ink marks BUT also with 2-digit SN stamping as well... I was really excited to see "58" but then forgot your gun has "98"... http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-WW2-GER...QQcmdZViewItem This other grip of the pair seems to have a much longer number inked in...maybe a SSN ???

01-29-2008, 12:40 PM	#24
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, Another pair of Mauser grips with ink-marked SN's : http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=1638444 These are E/135 stamped...