[Italy] Found a Luger on a lake bottom. - Page 2

Vlim · 11-20-2006, 03:01 PM

Ron, nope. They were the same size as the 42

mauro · 11-20-2006, 03:15 PM

Hi Nick,
Welcome to the Lugerforum from another Italian.
Really nice find!!!
Cheers,
Mauro

Ron Smith · 11-20-2006, 06:36 PM

Gerben,

I thought that the earlier 1937s had the large S. What were the large S dates?

Ron

Don M · 11-20-2006, 10:01 PM

The marking on the front grip strap, along with the evidence of the pistol having had both sear and magazine safeties almost certainly identifies the frame a being a DWM that was manufactured and issued to the Prussian LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary) in 1929. It was weapon 15 of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei of the administrative district of Magedeburg. The letter suffix would be either s, t or u, strongly supporting its identification as u.

Clearly, the toggle train was replaced with the later Mauser S/42 train.

AGE · 11-20-2006, 11:24 PM

Send this one to Thor. Maybe he can fix it--he does wonders on the old ones. Sorry, I couldn't resist making the suggestion.

Nick_70 · 11-21-2006, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mauro
Hi Nick,
Welcome to the Lugerforum from another Italian.
Really nice find!!!
Cheers,
Mauro

Ciao Mauro, nice to meet you too.

Saw your web site after I subscribed here, nice!

... maybe I got hooked up with this Luger thing!!!

Nick

Nick_70 · 11-21-2006, 05:48 AM

hey Don, thanks for the further informations!

could also the Trigger have been replaced, being marked "35" instead of "33", like most of the other parts?

I'm close to have a little tag to be put on the gun's wood frame I'm about to finish...

Thanks!!!

Nick

Nick_70 · 11-21-2006, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AGE
Send this one to Thor. Maybe he can fix it--he does wonders on the old ones. Sorry, I couldn't resist making the suggestion.

Hey hey...

I read about some of Thor's works...

Had the same tought before... "maybe is possible to restore it!"

But, on a serious side, even if possible, does it worth for the costs it would take and his "historical" value???

Nick

Nick_70 · 11-21-2006, 06:01 AM

@ Ron, this is the datail of the Trigger. I think I also noticed that "hole" next to the Trigger that I didn't noticed in other pistol's pictures in the Forum gallery... is that something different from age/models?

Steinar · 11-21-2006, 06:13 AM

Nick, the hole you are thinking of, is from the magazine safety. Often found on police Lugers.
The Luger would make a great display item

Don M · 11-22-2006, 12:26 AM

Nick,

There is no way to tell when the trigger may have been replaced. It may have been when the toggle train was replaced or a simple mix-up of parts when the gun was stripped for cleaning.

Nick_70 · 11-22-2006, 06:53 AM

Ok, thanks to both "Morgan" and Don,

Almost done with the frame to hold the souvenir!

I'll post a pick later on...

Thanks to all!

lugerluser · 11-22-2006, 09:10 AM

Nick, Have you shot it yet?????? Sean

Nick_70 · 11-22-2006, 12:36 PM

Ok guys!

I'm done with that. Here we go the final result, just in front of my desktop...

Actually, to add the cherry on top of the cake, I would add next to the pistol a little "window" with his the historical data, that you kindly finded for me...

What about:

" 1929 Luger DWM
Manufactured and issued to the Prussian
LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary).
Weapon 15 of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei of the
administrative district of Magedeburg"

Or any better idea on the model description???

As always, thanks in advance!

Nick_70 · 11-22-2006, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lugerluser
Nick, Have you shot it yet?????? Sean

Naaaaaa... it's a collection ones!

Would you risk to ruin his collectors value???

c3006 · 11-22-2006, 12:54 PM

Nick
That looks entirely to neat to be a mans workspace. All jokes aside thats a great looking display. clint

Nick_70 · 11-22-2006, 01:22 PM

Clint,

... guess what took me the greatest time: to clean up, the oiling, make up a nice frame for the Pistol... or clean up my desk...

To you the hard choices...

You can win

Don M · 11-22-2006, 07:33 PM

Nick,

You're description is perfect. You may want to add that it probably was used by the German military, seriously "deactivated" and thrown into Lake _______ where you found it.

lugerluser · 11-23-2006, 12:06 AM

Good point Nick! THAT is a very good idea. Looks great. I never would have thought of that. Good job, well done! By the way, did you build the desk to fit that hole, or the other way around? nice fit. Thanks, Sean.....

Nick_70 · 11-23-2006, 05:58 AM

@ Don, Ok than, that's will be... maybe also with the "tentative" S/N 3233u... Thank you very very much!

@Sean, Tks! belive me, I had to go around and dig it in some antiquary shop... it was as you see it and fit perfectly the spot!

So, Men, I'm pretty done with that. The Thread was maybe long enough and since I don't "really" own a Luger, I'll stick around, in time to time to check out...

It's not so easy to keep weapons at home over here. Maybe Mauro si going to correct me, since he's Italian too... and then I might going to get one/some, since I always liked guns.

My beloved Grandfather had an automatic gun and form the mag I saw a long ago, it "could" be a Gliesenti/Beretta... together with the Luger, it would be a good start for a newborn collection... no?

Was a pleasure to meet you all, Sirs

Take care and have a good Luger time!

Ciao!

Nick

11-20-2006, 03:15 PM	#22
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Nick, Welcome to the Lugerforum from another Italian. Really nice find!!! Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-20-2006, 06:36 PM	#23
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Gerben, I thought that the earlier 1937s had the large S. What were the large S dates? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-20-2006, 10:01 PM	#24
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The marking on the front grip strap, along with the evidence of the pistol having had both sear and magazine safeties almost certainly identifies the frame a being a DWM that was manufactured and issued to the Prussian LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary) in 1929. It was weapon 15 of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei of the administrative district of Magedeburg. The letter suffix would be either s, t or u, strongly supporting its identification as u. Clearly, the toggle train was replaced with the later Mauser S/42 train. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

11-20-2006, 11:24 PM	#25
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Send this one to Thor. Maybe he can fix it--he does wonders on the old ones. Sorry, I couldn't resist making the suggestion. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

11-21-2006, 06:01 AM	#29
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	@ Ron, this is the datail of the Trigger. I think I also noticed that "hole" next to the Trigger that I didn't noticed in other pistol's pictures in the Forum gallery... is that something different from age/models? Attached Images

11-20-2006, 03:01 PM	#21
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron, nope. They were the same size as the 42

11-21-2006, 05:48 AM	#27
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey Don, thanks for the further informations! could also the Trigger have been replaced, being marked "35" instead of "33", like most of the other parts? I'm close to have a little tag to be put on the gun's wood frame I'm about to finish... Thanks!!! Nick

11-21-2006, 06:13 AM	#30
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Nick, the hole you are thinking of, is from the magazine safety. Often found on police Lugers. The Luger would make a great display item __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

11-22-2006, 12:26 AM	#31
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Nick, There is no way to tell when the trigger may have been replaced. It may have been when the toggle train was replaced or a simple mix-up of parts when the gun was stripped for cleaning. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

11-22-2006, 06:53 AM	#32
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, thanks to both "Morgan" and Don, Almost done with the frame to hold the souvenir! I'll post a pick later on... Thanks to all!

11-22-2006, 09:10 AM	#33
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nick, Have you shot it yet?????? Sean __________________ "GOD IS!"

11-22-2006, 12:36 PM	#34
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok guys! I'm done with that. Here we go the final result, just in front of my desktop... Actually, to add the cherry on top of the cake, I would add next to the pistol a little "window" with his the historical data, that you kindly finded for me... What about: " 1929 Luger DWM Manufactured and issued to the Prussian LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary). Weapon 15 of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei of the administrative district of Magedeburg" Or any better idea on the model description??? As always, thanks in advance! Attached Images

11-22-2006, 12:54 PM	#36
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Nick That looks entirely to neat to be a mans workspace. All jokes aside thats a great looking display. clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

11-22-2006, 01:22 PM	#37
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Clint, ... guess what took me the greatest time: to clean up, the oiling, make up a nice frame for the Pistol... or clean up my desk... To you the hard choices... You can win

11-22-2006, 07:33 PM	#38
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Nick, You're description is perfect. You may want to add that it probably was used by the German military, seriously "deactivated" and thrown into Lake _______ where you found it. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

11-23-2006, 12:06 AM	#39
lugerluser User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winchester, Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good point Nick! THAT is a very good idea. Looks great. I never would have thought of that. Good job, well done! By the way, did you build the desk to fit that hole, or the other way around? nice fit. Thanks, Sean..... __________________ "GOD IS!"

11-23-2006, 05:58 AM	#40
Nick_70 User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	@ Don, Ok than, that's will be... maybe also with the "tentative" S/N 3233u... Thank you very very much! @Sean, Tks! belive me, I had to go around and dig it in some antiquary shop... it was as you see it and fit perfectly the spot! So, Men, I'm pretty done with that. The Thread was maybe long enough and since I don't "really" own a Luger, I'll stick around, in time to time to check out... It's not so easy to keep weapons at home over here. Maybe Mauro si going to correct me, since he's Italian too... and then I might going to get one/some, since I always liked guns. My beloved Grandfather had an automatic gun and form the mag I saw a long ago, it "could" be a Gliesenti/Beretta... together with the Luger, it would be a good start for a newborn collection... no? Was a pleasure to meet you all, Sirs Take care and have a good Luger time! Ciao! Nick