Pix of the estate AE1906 - Page 2

tony k · 03-18-2007, 04:18 PM

For those who have asked, here's a photo of the mag bottoms:

Both seem to have "ghosts" of previous numbers underneath. But if they were ground off and renumbered, it sure looks like the proofs were applied at the same time as the new numbers. (?)

The left one -- 8165a -- has a proof at the bottom with a crossbar, then a "B", a separation bar and "90", and then another crossbar at the bottom.

The right mag -- 1616 -- has a "2" at the very top (second mag in a rig?), then an inverted "K" at the bottom.

I could find no markings or proofs on the mag bodies.

Any to everyone who has helped with the ID info:

tony k · 09-26-2008, 03:25 PM

Update: The family has consigned the estate's remaining firearms, including this Luger, to a national auction house. It will go on the block as a set -- Luger, holster, tool, two mags -- on October 4. Presale estimate is $2,000-$3,000.

In case anyone wants to follow the auction and see the results, or bid on it via internet bidding, I can post a link if the moderators permit it. I'm not listing the auction house name or giving a link here because I'm unsure if the rules allow it. (I'm not profiting from this, though my sister is; thus I'm not sure if board rules permit.)

John Sabato · 09-26-2008, 04:40 PM

Posting a link to the auction is not a problem.

Edward Tinker · 09-26-2008, 05:14 PM

links are accepted; you might notice that the photo hosting site from 2007 no longer shows the photo above, a reason we like to have photos hosted here

if Oct 3rd, then must be the Julia auction....

Ed

tony k · 09-26-2008, 05:34 PM

Thanks. Actually, it's at the sister auction house to Julia's -- Poulin's. They run their auctions simultaneously. It's in the same auction as the remainder of the Bruce Stern estate:

Link to the page: http://www.poulinantiques.com/100408%20-%20Day%202.htm

The item lot number is 1331. I hope it goes to an appreciative home... wish I could afford it myself.

alvin · 09-26-2008, 07:37 PM

I have seen only a few Lugers with GERMANY. The observation so far -- if "GERMANY" stamp is deep, it has no halo; if the stamp is shallow, it has halo. This one's GERMANY is deep, so it "correctly" (I assume) has no halo.

I don't know the observation being correct or not. If correct, the implication seems to be some guns not originally planned to be produced for the US market were routed to the US (shallow GERMANY) ad hoc. And some guns were made for US market as planned (deep GERMANY).

If it's wrong, please ignore. I will observe more and that takes time.

tony k · 10-07-2008, 04:29 PM

FWIW, the complete rig -- AE1906, holster, two mags and tool -- went for $2,200 plus the 17% buyer's premium, so the successful bidder paid $2,574 (plus sales tax).

alvin · 10-19-2008, 07:10 PM

I saw a 1906 on GB yesterday. Always interested in commercial Lugers, so I sent some pix request and questions, s/n 48812 AE with BUG. It's almost mint for its age. Seller replied it's sold, no pix and .... I missed it. The buyer paid $2995 (the reserve price). It's a single gun, no holster, single wooden bottom magazine, no detail pix, no description on the magazine. The posted pix on the item looks correct though.

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Just found the item: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=112866174

09-26-2008, 04:40 PM	#23
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03-18-2007, 04:18 PM	#21
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For those who have asked, here's a photo of the mag bottoms: Both seem to have "ghosts" of previous numbers underneath. But if they were ground off and renumbered, it sure looks like the proofs were applied at the same time as the new numbers. (?) The left one -- 8165a -- has a proof at the bottom with a crossbar, then a "B", a separation bar and "90", and then another crossbar at the bottom. The right mag -- 1616 -- has a "2" at the very top (second mag in a rig?), then an inverted "K" at the bottom. I could find no markings or proofs on the mag bodies. Any to everyone who has helped with the ID info:

09-26-2008, 03:25 PM	#22
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Update: The family has consigned the estate's remaining firearms, including this Luger, to a national auction house. It will go on the block as a set -- Luger, holster, tool, two mags -- on October 4. Presale estimate is $2,000-$3,000. In case anyone wants to follow the auction and see the results, or bid on it via internet bidding, I can post a link if the moderators permit it. I'm not listing the auction house name or giving a link here because I'm unsure if the rules allow it. (I'm not profiting from this, though my sister is; thus I'm not sure if board rules permit.)

09-26-2008, 05:14 PM	#24
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	links are accepted; you might notice that the photo hosting site from 2007 no longer shows the photo above, a reason we like to have photos hosted here if Oct 3rd, then must be the Julia auction.... Ed

09-26-2008, 05:34 PM	#25
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks. Actually, it's at the sister auction house to Julia's -- Poulin's. They run their auctions simultaneously. It's in the same auction as the remainder of the Bruce Stern estate: Link to the page: http://www.poulinantiques.com/100408%20-%20Day%202.htm The item lot number is 1331. I hope it goes to an appreciative home... wish I could afford it myself.

09-26-2008, 07:37 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I have seen only a few Lugers with GERMANY. The observation so far -- if "GERMANY" stamp is deep, it has no halo; if the stamp is shallow, it has halo. This one's GERMANY is deep, so it "correctly" (I assume) has no halo. I don't know the observation being correct or not. If correct, the implication seems to be some guns not originally planned to be produced for the US market were routed to the US (shallow GERMANY) ad hoc. And some guns were made for US market as planned (deep GERMANY). If it's wrong, please ignore. I will observe more and that takes time.

10-07-2008, 04:29 PM	#27
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	FWIW, the complete rig -- AE1906, holster, two mags and tool -- went for $2,200 plus the 17% buyer's premium, so the successful bidder paid $2,574 (plus sales tax).

10-19-2008, 07:10 PM	#28
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I saw a 1906 on GB yesterday. Always interested in commercial Lugers, so I sent some pix request and questions, s/n 48812 AE with BUG. It's almost mint for its age. Seller replied it's sold, no pix and .... I missed it. The buyer paid $2995 (the reserve price). It's a single gun, no holster, single wooden bottom magazine, no detail pix, no description on the magazine. The posted pix on the item looks correct though. ==== Just found the item: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=112866174