Interior marks..?? - Page 2

11-28-2001, 12:44 AM

John D. · 11-28-2001, 12:48 AM

I just tore my 1918 apart - and I see the same as you Lonnie - circle N as well an the N and the other markings. THe grips, as I mentioned in my first post - were cut out for a mag safety - but I didn't think then - nor do I now that they were original to the gun (no sear cut/rivet hole)..

I still think Tinmans gun is correct (except for the grips).

Lonnie Zimmerman · 11-28-2001, 12:50 AM

I am sure you are. Do any of you forum members live close to him so you can look at it. It sure looks original to me!! Lonnie

11-28-2001, 12:52 AM

Actually I think that 66 mustang anf Bill (deauce10@home.com) live in Seattle/Tacoma.......

bill m · 11-28-2001, 01:09 AM

Hi,

Tinman states that what I thought was the remains of a clipped magazine safety is just a reflection and that no remains and no hole is drilled in the frame. The grip does have a notch in it. From this information I agree with John and Lonnie.

When I look at the pictures, on the 10th one, the one that shows the left receiver and frame -- just below the 970 on the frame rail, especially below the "0" there is a number. Is this on the gun or is it some shadow. The last 3 digits are 325 or 375? Can anyone else see it?

John D. · 11-28-2001, 01:15 AM

Hi Bill...

Yep - I now see what you are looking at.. On my monitor (LCD) - it looks like a "moire" pattern in the photo, maybe?? I can't make out that it an actual number, though..

Tinman - do you see what we are talking about? Is there a number or mark there (and don't tell us we need glasses )!

11-28-2001, 01:26 AM

This one??

http://www.eandrenterprises.com/luger/Luger011.jpg

John D. · 11-28-2001, 01:28 AM

we did it again Bill..

Given the length of time it is taking to get a reply from anyone on this question - I think we have all the members of the Luger Forum now field stripping all their Lugers looking for marks/proofs like Tinman's...!!!

LOL!!!!!

John D. · 11-28-2001, 01:33 AM

that's the one.... I think it's a moire effect or a flash bright spot.. After staring at it for a while - I thought I could see a small number "6"...? When I stared at it a while longer still - I thought I could also see the face of my ex-wife... Got'ta be an anomoly...

bill m · 11-28-2001, 01:37 AM

Go down from the "0" and there is what looks like a 325 to me and more numbers in front of those, but I can't make them out. Glad John saw something also as I already wear glass's.

John D. · 11-28-2001, 01:47 AM

and the small "6" is just to the left of the top of the "3".. And yep - I see both the "32" that bill sees (but can't make out the 5..?)...

Hmmmmm. it's got to be a flash effect, cause on another picture - 12 (showing Geladen) - the rail looks to be unmarked and correct (and is closer to an original blue)..

BILL · 11-28-2001, 04:07 AM

John, I hate to be the one to inform you, but yes, that is a stamping of the image of your ex-wife and if you reverse the image in Photoshop you will see that there are two mules walking backwards with one of the pyramids in the background. I have enhanced this picture several thousand times and using three different 'artistic' filters have found not only Abraham Lincoln's birthdate but also a profile of JFK. I know this is probably hard for some of you to believe but we are talking micro-pixels here (that have 128 bit encryption) and are seldom seen on some of the lower end monitors. Threads like this enhance the meaning of true collectors.

Thor · 11-28-2001, 04:13 AM

Oh ....brother!!!

Steve Lempitski · 11-28-2001, 08:36 AM

Dok · 11-28-2001, 11:52 AM

with a crystal clear monitor with 3200 x 2400 resolution, and i can quite clearly see that in the saddle bags on one of those mules there is a painting of our Lord Jesus and the last supper. This is definitely a revelation! Thank you you for bringing thios to the world's attention, the Pope will undoubtedly be contacting you, to confiscate your Luger as a religious relic! God Bless You My Son!

Dok

John Sabato · 11-28-2001, 12:11 PM

Naw really, I too have done some photo enhancement, enlargement and although I see what you guys have been seeing (except for the mules, the image of John D.'s wife is plain as day! -very tastefully done!) I vote that the image is just pixelization of the flash on a mighty finely finished Luger...

No Number there as far as I can tell by the photo.

-John

Marvin · 11-28-2001, 01:19 PM

A big thanks to Dok, John and Ed for sending my "jpg" files of the stamps! Since I had a firewall, these guys were great to let me see whst this discussion has been about.

I wish I was home so I could look at my pistols for the stamps and have reference books to look at, but, alas, I don't any with me so I can't help at this time. It also looks like it will be Christmas before I get home again.

Marvin

11-28-2001, 03:04 PM

that these are "touched up" photo's? I assure you that the only editing on these was to lighten dark photos. Any doubts about that let me know, then contact Bill (deauce10@home.com) or 66 mustang.

From their posts I surmise they live in my area. I'll be glad to meet them somewhere and they can see for themselves and everyone can get an independant opinion.

John Sabato · 11-28-2001, 04:51 PM

So you could carry your collection around with you! Sort of a C&R Recreational Vehicle!

-John

John Sabato · 11-28-2001, 04:53 PM

That is just the very sophisticated and dry humor that is common on this very gentile discussion forum!

Sorry if it confused you.

11-28-2001, 12:44 AM	#21
Tinman Guest Posts: n/a	I so confoosed..... (EOM)

11-28-2001, 12:48 AM	#22
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Re: Magazine Safety I just tore my 1918 apart - and I see the same as you Lonnie - circle N as well an the N and the other markings. THe grips, as I mentioned in my first post - were cut out for a mag safety - but I didn't think then - nor do I now that they were original to the gun (no sear cut/rivet hole).. I still think Tinmans gun is correct (except for the grips).

11-28-2001, 12:50 AM	#23
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: I so confoosed..... I am sure you are. Do any of you forum members live close to him so you can look at it. It sure looks original to me!! Lonnie

11-28-2001, 12:52 AM	#24
Tinman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: I so confoosed..... Actually I think that 66 mustang anf Bill (deauce10@home.com) live in Seattle/Tacoma.......

11-28-2001, 01:09 AM	#25
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Magazine Safety Hi, Tinman states that what I thought was the remains of a clipped magazine safety is just a reflection and that no remains and no hole is drilled in the frame. The grip does have a notch in it. From this information I agree with John and Lonnie. When I look at the pictures, on the 10th one, the one that shows the left receiver and frame -- just below the 970 on the frame rail, especially below the "0" there is a number. Is this on the gun or is it some shadow. The last 3 digits are 325 or 375? Can anyone else see it?

11-28-2001, 01:15 AM	#26
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Re: Magazine Safety Hi Bill... Yep - I now see what you are looking at.. On my monitor (LCD) - it looks like a "moire" pattern in the photo, maybe?? I can't make out that it an actual number, though.. Tinman - do you see what we are talking about? Is there a number or mark there (and don't tell us we need glasses )!

11-28-2001, 01:26 AM	#27
Tinman Guest Posts: n/a	Huh..??? This one?? http://www.eandrenterprises.com/luger/Luger011.jpg

11-28-2001, 01:28 AM	#28
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Well.. I think we did it again Bill.. Given the length of time it is taking to get a reply from anyone on this question - I think we have all the members of the Luger Forum now field stripping all their Lugers looking for marks/proofs like Tinman's...!!! LOL!!!!!

11-28-2001, 01:33 AM	#29
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Yea.... that's the one.... I think it's a moire effect or a flash bright spot.. After staring at it for a while - I thought I could see a small number "6"...? When I stared at it a while longer still - I thought I could also see the face of my ex-wife... Got'ta be an anomoly...

11-28-2001, 01:37 AM	#30
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yep Go down from the "0" and there is what looks like a 325 to me and more numbers in front of those, but I can't make them out. Glad John saw something also as I already wear glass's.

11-28-2001, 01:47 AM	#31
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Re: Yep and the small "6" is just to the left of the top of the "3".. And yep - I see both the "32" that bill sees (but can't make out the 5..?)... Hmmmmm. it's got to be a flash effect, cause on another picture - 12 (showing Geladen) - the rail looks to be unmarked and correct (and is closer to an original blue)..

11-28-2001, 04:07 AM	#32
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Well.. I think John, I hate to be the one to inform you, but yes, that is a stamping of the image of your ex-wife and if you reverse the image in Photoshop you will see that there are two mules walking backwards with one of the pyramids in the background. I have enhanced this picture several thousand times and using three different 'artistic' filters have found not only Abraham Lincoln's birthdate but also a profile of JFK. I know this is probably hard for some of you to believe but we are talking micro-pixels here (that have 128 bit encryption) and are seldom seen on some of the lower end monitors. Threads like this enhance the meaning of true collectors.

11-28-2001, 04:13 AM	#33
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Well.. I think Oh ....brother!!!

11-28-2001, 08:36 AM	#34
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Downloaded on my computer it said "ELVIS LIVES" (EOM)

11-28-2001, 11:52 AM	#35
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Well I have a Macintosh... with a crystal clear monitor with 3200 x 2400 resolution, and i can quite clearly see that in the saddle bags on one of those mules there is a painting of our Lord Jesus and the last supper. This is definitely a revelation! Thank you you for bringing thios to the world's attention, the Pope will undoubtedly be contacting you, to confiscate your Luger as a religious relic! God Bless You My Son! Dok

11-28-2001, 12:11 PM	#36
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Twice in 24 hours i will have to concur with Bill. Naw really, I too have done some photo enhancement, enlargement and although I see what you guys have been seeing (except for the mules, the image of John D.'s wife is plain as day! -very tastefully done!) I vote that the image is just pixelization of the flash on a mighty finely finished Luger... No Number there as far as I can tell by the photo. -John

11-28-2001, 01:19 PM	#37
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Interior marks..I See Them! A big thanks to Dok, John and Ed for sending my "jpg" files of the stamps! Since I had a firewall, these guys were great to let me see whst this discussion has been about. I wish I was home so I could look at my pistols for the stamps and have reference books to look at, but, alas, I don't any with me so I can't help at this time. It also looks like it will be Christmas before I get home again. Marvin

11-28-2001, 03:04 PM	#38
Tinman Guest Posts: n/a	Is it being implied..... that these are "touched up" photo's? I assure you that the only editing on these was to lighten dark photos. Any doubts about that let me know, then contact Bill (deauce10@home.com) or 66 mustang. From their posts I surmise they live in my area. I'll be glad to meet them somewhere and they can see for themselves and everyone can get an independant opinion.

11-28-2001, 04:51 PM	#39
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Marvin you should buy yourself an old Brin So you could carry your collection around with you! Sort of a C&R Recreational Vehicle! -John

11-28-2001, 04:53 PM	#40
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Re: Is it being implied..... NO Tinman... no such implication That is just the very sophisticated and dry humor that is common on this very gentile discussion forum! Sorry if it confused you.