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tudorbug · 03-25-2004, 06:06 PM

Vic, I would have been one of those interested in it.

For sure.

tudorbug · 04-12-2004, 10:01 PM

It looks to me as if this pistol that is the subject of this thread is now listed on Gunbroker, complete with its capture document for PFC Clyde Fox (unless he had more than one of this 40-42 lugers).

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17538106

I'd be interested but the bidding seems to me to start very high, however, I admit that I am not well versed in prices on luger pistols.

At least I won't have to be concerned that the National Personnel Records Center may not produce PFC Fox's service record. :-))

vicg1 · 04-12-2004, 10:24 PM

yup... got 2 more with capture papers from same seller, and they're in nicer shape, so I'm going to keep the cleanest one and sell other 2...

Edward Tinker · 04-12-2004, 11:29 PM

Vic, want to post pictures of the other two?

And maybe use John D's server, that way we can leave the pictures up for a while

Ed

tudorbug · 04-13-2004, 09:50 AM

Vic, is the pistol listed on Gunbroker the same one that we addressed and even looked at on this forum?

vicg1 · 04-13-2004, 03:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
Vic, want to post pictures of the other two?

And maybe use John D's server, that way we can leave the pictures up for a while

Ed<hr /></blockquote>I messed up and deleted the pics form my own server... I fogot I linked to them from here... I won't do that again. I've been playing around with my dock and boat the past few days but will get pics taken of the new ones... I wasn't going to buy them but was made a nice offer (I believe they came from an estate and HAD to be sold by the executor, who happened to be a trustee appointed by the state to handle the sale).

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tudorbug:
Vic, is the pistol listed on Gunbroker the same one that we addressed and even looked at on this forum?<hr /></blockquote>yup... I think it may be sold... just got off the phone with someone that wants it and I should know later this afternoon for sure. Not over till the fat lady sings (and my Paypal account has the funds in it).

Nighthawk101 · 04-13-2004, 11:38 PM

i cant see the pics

John Sabato · 04-14-2004, 11:23 AM

Welcome to the Lugerforum Nighthawk101... just where is Winchester KY?

The pics were accidently deleted by the poster...

Strider · 04-14-2004, 01:18 PM

Brandon,
I sent you a PM. Please let me know if this is ok and I will PM my email address. Thanks.
Sid.

tudorbug · 04-15-2004, 11:09 AM

Vic, I see that your GunBroker auction has ended. I assume a sale was successfully completed and I offer my congratulations.

vicg1 · 04-15-2004, 05:23 PM

nah... he was too cheap... I offered to absorb the paypal fee of $80. ship for free, and tossed in the DWM commercial I've got... After he said we had a deal, he wanted another $100 off so that ended the discussions. I relisted it with the DWM and I'm sure it'll sell.

tudorbug · 04-16-2004, 01:02 PM

Here is Vic's list on GunBroker and the cost has changed dramatically downward, I might add, with two luger pistols listed.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17645302

For Vic, I'm sorry the earlier sale did not go through. I'm still interested and wondered if you have any pictures that can be posted by the luger forum server that might be more in number than what is allowed on GunBroker.

For the 1940, I understand that there is slight pitting on barrell and sideplate. Is the tool that you show marked in any way? Holster in top notch condition? Is the magazine numbered to the gun or mismatched? If mismatched, what is the number on it? Bore condition is...?

What is the condition of the DWM 1923 Commercial? Is there any pitting? Bore condition? etc. Anything that might help any of us be more informed would help.

In any case, I wish you good luck with your auction. I look at and drool periodically. :-))

Nighthawk101 · 04-17-2004, 07:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John Sabato:
Welcome to the Lugerforum Nighthawk101... just where is Winchester KY?

The pics were accidently deleted by the poster...<hr /></blockquote>In the middle part of the state.... about 15 mins from Lexington and about and hour and a half from Louisville

tudorbug · 03-15-2005, 05:25 PM

Well , it has been just under 12 months since I took on this task, but I have finally received a reply from the National Personnel Records Center concerning Clyde H. Fox, 34 269 185, whose name is on the capture paper for the luger that started this thread.

The National Personnel Records Center experienced a 1973 fire that destroyed about 17 million records pertaining to the veterans of our nation between 1912 and 1960. That's correct! This detailed history is largely gone for those who participated in WWI, WWII, and the Korean War.

But a record or partial record for Clyde H. Fox was availble. Here is the report:

- Branch of Service: Army
- Dates of Service: May 14, 1942 to December 1, 1945
- Duty Status: Discharged
- Rank/Grade: Private First Class
- Assignements: Company K, 328th Infantry (which was on this capture paper), 352 FA Bn (Field Artillery Battalion)
- Decorations and Awards: European African Easter Campaign Medal w/4 Bronze Service Stars
World War II Victory Medal
American Campaign Medal
Good Conduct Medal
Service Lapel Button, WWII
Sharpshooter Badge w/Rifle Bar
Expert Badge w/Automatic Rifle Bar (This is the BAR)
Combat Infantryman Badge
Bronze Star Medal
Place of Entry: Fort McPherson, Georgia
Place of Separation: Camp Gordon, Georgia
Place of Birth: Gainesville, Georgia
Date of Death: November 24, 1984

I could not find a record of death, however, in the Social Security Death Index.

This is an example of what can be learned, if a record is available, about a serviceman whose name appears on a capture paper.

Evidently, he benefitted from the 1947 Regualtion change that alllowed award of the Bronze Star Medal to all verterans of WWII who had received the Combat Infantryman Badge or Combat Medic Badge.

Finally, if anyone on the forum now owns the luger that started this thread just almost a year go, I'll be happy to mail to you the record this I have just received from the Center. This was a 40 42 luger, capture paper of Clyde H. Fox and the serial number was never available to the thread, as far as I can tell.

If anyone else wishes to request a similar record, please contact me and I'll tell you what to do. Because of the fire, be prepared for a disappointment.

David

04-12-2004, 10:24 PM	#23
vicg1 User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yup... got 2 more with capture papers from same seller, and they're in nicer shape, so I'm going to keep the cleanest one and sell other 2... __________________ IT'S A NEW MILLENNIUM... www.tommy15.com

04-12-2004, 11:29 PM	#24
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Vic, want to post pictures of the other two? And maybe use John D's server, that way we can leave the pictures up for a while Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-13-2004, 03:21 PM	#26
vicg1 User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Edward Tinker: <strong>Vic, want to post pictures of the other two? And maybe use John D's server, that way we can leave the pictures up for a while Ed</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I messed up and deleted the pics form my own server... I fogot I linked to them from here... I won't do that again. I've been playing around with my dock and boat the past few days but will get pics taken of the new ones... I wasn't going to buy them but was made a nice offer (I believe they came from an estate and HAD to be sold by the executor, who happened to be a trustee appointed by the state to handle the sale). </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by tudorbug: <strong>Vic, is the pistol listed on Gunbroker the same one that we addressed and even looked at on this forum?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">yup... I think it may be sold... just got off the phone with someone that wants it and I should know later this afternoon for sure. Not over till the fat lady sings (and my Paypal account has the funds in it). __________________ IT'S A NEW MILLENNIUM... www.tommy15.com

04-14-2004, 11:23 AM	#28
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Welcome to the Lugerforum Nighthawk101... just where is Winchester KY? The pics were accidently deleted by the poster... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-14-2004, 01:18 PM	#29
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brandon, I sent you a PM. Please let me know if this is ok and I will PM my email address. Thanks. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

03-25-2004, 06:06 PM	#21
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Vic, I would have been one of those interested in it. For sure.

04-12-2004, 10:01 PM	#22
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	It looks to me as if this pistol that is the subject of this thread is now listed on Gunbroker, complete with its capture document for PFC Clyde Fox (unless he had more than one of this 40-42 lugers). http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17538106 I'd be interested but the bidding seems to me to start very high, however, I admit that I am not well versed in prices on luger pistols. At least I won't have to be concerned that the National Personnel Records Center may not produce PFC Fox's service record. :-))

04-13-2004, 09:50 AM	#25
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Vic, is the pistol listed on Gunbroker the same one that we addressed and even looked at on this forum?

04-13-2004, 11:38 PM	#27
Nighthawk101 New User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i cant see the pics

04-15-2004, 11:09 AM	#30
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Vic, I see that your GunBroker auction has ended. I assume a sale was successfully completed and I offer my congratulations.

04-15-2004, 05:23 PM	#31
vicg1 User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	nah... he was too cheap... I offered to absorb the paypal fee of $80. ship for free, and tossed in the DWM commercial I've got... After he said we had a deal, he wanted another $100 off so that ended the discussions. I relisted it with the DWM and I'm sure it'll sell. __________________ IT'S A NEW MILLENNIUM... www.tommy15.com

04-16-2004, 01:02 PM	#32
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Here is Vic's list on GunBroker and the cost has changed dramatically downward, I might add, with two luger pistols listed. http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17645302 For Vic, I'm sorry the earlier sale did not go through. I'm still interested and wondered if you have any pictures that can be posted by the luger forum server that might be more in number than what is allowed on GunBroker. For the 1940, I understand that there is slight pitting on barrell and sideplate. Is the tool that you show marked in any way? Holster in top notch condition? Is the magazine numbered to the gun or mismatched? If mismatched, what is the number on it? Bore condition is...? What is the condition of the DWM 1923 Commercial? Is there any pitting? Bore condition? etc. Anything that might help any of us be more informed would help. In any case, I wish you good luck with your auction. I look at and drool periodically. :-))

04-17-2004, 07:01 PM	#33
Nighthawk101 New User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John Sabato: <strong>Welcome to the Lugerforum Nighthawk101... just where is Winchester KY? The pics were accidently deleted by the poster...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">In the middle part of the state.... about 15 mins from Lexington and about and hour and a half from Louisville

03-15-2005, 05:25 PM	#34
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Well , it has been just under 12 months since I took on this task, but I have finally received a reply from the National Personnel Records Center concerning Clyde H. Fox, 34 269 185, whose name is on the capture paper for the luger that started this thread. The National Personnel Records Center experienced a 1973 fire that destroyed about 17 million records pertaining to the veterans of our nation between 1912 and 1960. That's correct! This detailed history is largely gone for those who participated in WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. But a record or partial record for Clyde H. Fox was availble. Here is the report: - Branch of Service: Army - Dates of Service: May 14, 1942 to December 1, 1945 - Duty Status: Discharged - Rank/Grade: Private First Class - Assignements: Company K, 328th Infantry (which was on this capture paper), 352 FA Bn (Field Artillery Battalion) - Decorations and Awards: European African Easter Campaign Medal w/4 Bronze Service Stars World War II Victory Medal American Campaign Medal Good Conduct Medal Service Lapel Button, WWII Sharpshooter Badge w/Rifle Bar Expert Badge w/Automatic Rifle Bar (This is the BAR) Combat Infantryman Badge Bronze Star Medal Place of Entry: Fort McPherson, Georgia Place of Separation: Camp Gordon, Georgia Place of Birth: Gainesville, Georgia Date of Death: November 24, 1984 I could not find a record of death, however, in the Social Security Death Index. This is an example of what can be learned, if a record is available, about a serviceman whose name appears on a capture paper. Evidently, he benefitted from the 1947 Regualtion change that alllowed award of the Bronze Star Medal to all verterans of WWII who had received the Combat Infantryman Badge or Combat Medic Badge. Finally, if anyone on the forum now owns the luger that started this thread just almost a year go, I'll be happy to mail to you the record this I have just received from the Center. This was a 40 42 luger, capture paper of Clyde H. Fox and the serial number was never available to the thread, as far as I can tell. If anyone else wishes to request a similar record, please contact me and I'll tell you what to do. Because of the fire, be prepared for a disappointment. David