Help Identifying a "Blank: Luger?

[aldo35]

How about a picture of actual Dutch plate

[lugerholsterrepair]

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dutch+luge...=v248-1&ia=web


Aldo, If you google search dozens of examples appear

[Ron Wood]

An original. I have a couple of better examples but I already had this photo. It normally would be a straight-sided rectangle with rounded corners, but the heavily struck "15" distorted it.

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by DutchLuger

...the gun barely appears to have been fired.

It has been reblued over pits, so who really knows? It's a pretty good job, too, that didn't involve buffing the bejeepers out of it.

The font style is what I'd expect to see on a Mauser Luger. There is something weird going on with how the front of the barrel extension is proud of the frame: https://forum.lugerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1728680584 Frankenluger?

[Karl]

David,

Good observation about the receiver being proud of the frame.

There is also a cut in the receiver, just behind the barrel, visible on both sides, that would correspond with the correct length of the receiver. I have remained quiet regarding this Luger because I am not an expert. However, my opinion is that the "5" stamped on parts, some in odd locations (sear bar, double stamp on side plate, inside front toggle link), is a red herring. I think that the gun was assembled from partly unfinished/rejected parts - a "lunch box special."

KFS

[DutchLuger]

That is an incredibly cool example. The Btzg stands for "Buitenzorg", but I have not seen the "M.L." initials together (only separately for Southern/Eastern (M) and Western (L) Borneo, respectively). There are Military Police abbreviations that start with M.X. (with X running from A through G), but this one is unique. Best guess: Military Police Buitenzorg, with no other examples described (in Martens & DeVries, anyway). Thank you for posting.

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by DutchLuger

That is an incredibly cool example. The Btzg stands for "Buitenzorg", but I have not seen the "M.L." initials together (only separately for Southern/Eastern (M) and Western (L) Borneo, respectively). There are Military Police abbreviations that start with M.X. (with X running from A through G), but this one is unique. Best guess: Military Police Buitenzorg, with no other examples described (in Martens & DeVries, anyway). Thank you for posting.

Your best guess is the same as mine, a military police pistol from Buitenzorg. This is a DWM 1906 Dutch Luger in 9mm. Reworked in 1914 by DWM. Bluing is about 95%. Straw is about 50%. It is remarkable, given the environment where it was employed, that this Luger has survived in such a nice condition.
Buitenzorg was the Colonial Era name for what is now the modern city of Bogor in Java. Governor-General van Imhoff is credited with its discovery in 1745. He built a large country estate which he named Buitenzorg ('Without a Care'), but it was not until 1811 that it was first used as a country residence by Sir Stamford Raffles, during the British interregnum, and not until many years later that Bogor became the semi-official capital. Bogor has a nickname: the 'City of Rain'. Bogor has probably the highest annual rainfall in Java and is credited with a record 322 thunderstorms a year.

[Dwight Gruber]

Originally Posted by DutchLuger

...and how much effort someone would go to to make a fake Dutch(?) Luger?...

The only "effort" anyone has gone to here to make a fake Dutch Luger is to create and affix the brass unit plate. Not really difficult at all.

--Dwight