G-Date Waffenamt Marks - Page 2

Lyn Islaub · 11-07-2003, 12:29 AM

Frank,
3000a-B90/S91
6109a-B90/S92

Lyn

Frank · 11-07-2003, 10:07 AM

Lyn, thanks for the data. It's slow coming, but I think it's very interesting so far. I'll post some intrim result after a few more data points. It is much appreciated!!

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Carl · 11-14-2003, 08:42 PM

Frank,
S/42 G
6035 f
DE/63 DE/63
Bought it from vet. Interesting story.
Carl

Saturn6 · 11-14-2003, 10:49 PM

Gentelmen: My "G" Date is 2512 "C" I think, the
Gothic Letter is very plainly marked as Johns
photos show, I just dont really know what I am looking at (the Gothic Alphabet)

Reguards...John (saturn6)

Frank · 11-15-2003, 10:39 AM

Carl and John, thanks for your data.

Carl, your serial number is the highest recorded for any G-Date!!!

John, if your acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver are W|154 & S92, then you pistol is about in the center of that range. The "Gothic G" is on top of the chamber and the "Script C" is just below the numbers on the front of the frame. Don't worry about the names of the letters!!

HCS · 11-23-2003, 07:06 AM

Hi Frank

S/42 G
6032e
eagle 63 eagle 63

Question: what does the DE/63 description mean that some have, at mine it is only stamped with 63 eagle.

HCS

Frank · 11-23-2003, 09:25 AM

Henrik, thank you for the data! Military Mausers have two different types of Waffenamt eagle markings. The earlier eagles have wings that are shown in a downward position or Droop Wings, thus DE. The later eagle marks are stick figure wings that are straight out from the eagle body, so they are called stick or straight wings, thus SE.

HCS · 11-24-2003, 08:37 AM

Hi Frank

Thank you for the explanation, then my P08 is marked SE/63 SE/63 DE.

HCS

Frank · 11-24-2003, 09:51 AM

Henrik, sorry, if your G-Date has stick eagle marks, it isn't a G-Date. G-Dates only have Droop Wing Eagle Marks!! If you send me an email with your email address, I'll send you a photo of both!!

HCS · 11-30-2003, 09:06 AM

Hi Frank

Sorry I replyed my last post from work, so I could not examine the P08, I remembered wrong, the eagles are all DE but two different ones, two
with small wings and one with longer wings. To repeat again it is marked DE/63 DE/63 DE(long ver. wings eagle without any number).

HCS

Frank · 11-30-2003, 09:19 AM

Henrik, thanks!! The DE/63 marks are acceptance indications (inspection) while the DE (without a number) is a test firing proof mark.

the gunman · 12-09-2003, 04:26 PM

Hi Frank heres mine
w154 s92 8069d
dw63 dw 63 7218e

the gunman · 12-09-2003, 08:00 PM

Hi Frank only other letter it can be is an (a) but no matter how hard I look its still a(d) to me

Frank · 12-09-2003, 09:17 PM

Richard, OK thanks for looking. The "a" alternate makes more sense than a "d". The "a" is within the data range and the "d" is about 8000 numbers too high. If you would send a photo to me, or post it here, I can take a stab at the identification. AND thanks for the data!!

There is a section showing the various suffix in the Technical Information that Ed Tinker worked up. It shows a very good example of both a G-Date "a" and "d"!! That might also help.

zeke · 12-14-2003, 11:40 AM

Purchased my first luger 2 weeks ago, it is a s/42 G date. Serial # is 2377 (no prefix or suffix) 211 (with eagle above it), S/92 and downward wings. It is supposed to be a war bring back, all parts visible in assembled mode match (haven't taken it apart yet).

Don't see any g-dates seriaql #'s without prefix or suffix? Am not knowledgable about lugers, but it appears to be in very good shape (also not very knowledgable about rating condition)

Frank · 12-14-2003, 03:31 PM

Hi Zeke, thanks for the attempt. In this post string, John Sabato has shown a photo of the frame front, just below the barrel, which is the location of the serial number, both numbers and the letter suffix.

Your Luger should have a "d" suffix, just below the numbers on the frame front. Please let me know!

Don H. · 12-14-2003, 05:05 PM

Frank I have one with D/E63 & D/E63 ser.#1989f also one I just sold that is W-154 & S/92 ser.#6669c Hope this helps Don

zeke · 12-14-2003, 11:13 PM

Frank-thanks for directing me, there is a small case "d" at the front of frame on the radius below the serial #. Am quessing it's a d, it appears to have a little upswept tail on it.

The mag is stamped 1798, and no letters but an eagle with 63 below it.

Always wanted a luger, rumored to be very accurate.

Frank · 12-15-2003, 12:53 AM

Zeke and Don H, thanks much for the data, it is all appreciated!

Zeke, the eagle on the magazine is most probably a stick or straight wing eagle. With no suffix, it was probably used for a late 1937 or early 1938 Luger. The proper magazine for your G-Date should DE/211 stamped where the E/63 is marked on your magazine.

QCMAN007 · 12-22-2003, 10:31 PM

OK, from another newbie, a byf SE/41 Ser#4558r
Is this the correct info ?

11-07-2003, 12:29 AM	#21
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Frank, 3000a-B90/S91 6109a-B90/S92 Lyn

11-07-2003, 10:07 AM	#22
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Lyn, thanks for the data. It's slow coming, but I think it's very interesting so far. I'll post some intrim result after a few more data points. It is much appreciated!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

11-14-2003, 08:42 PM	#23
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Frank, S/42 G 6035 f DE/63 DE/63 Bought it from vet. Interesting story. Carl

11-14-2003, 10:49 PM	#24
Saturn6 User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gentelmen: My "G" Date is 2512 "C" I think, the Gothic Letter is very plainly marked as Johns photos show, I just dont really know what I am looking at (the Gothic Alphabet) Reguards...John (saturn6)

11-15-2003, 10:39 AM	#25
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Carl and John, thanks for your data. Carl, your serial number is the highest recorded for any G-Date!!! John, if your acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver are W\|154 & S92, then you pistol is about in the center of that range. The "Gothic G" is on top of the chamber and the "Script C" is just below the numbers on the front of the frame. Don't worry about the names of the letters!!

11-23-2003, 07:06 AM	#26
HCS User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Frank S/42 G 6032e eagle 63 eagle 63 Question: what does the DE/63 description mean that some have, at mine it is only stamped with 63 eagle. HCS

11-23-2003, 09:25 AM	#27
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Henrik, thank you for the data! Military Mausers have two different types of Waffenamt eagle markings. The earlier eagles have wings that are shown in a downward position or Droop Wings, thus DE. The later eagle marks are stick figure wings that are straight out from the eagle body, so they are called stick or straight wings, thus SE.

11-24-2003, 08:37 AM	#28
HCS User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Frank Thank you for the explanation, then my P08 is marked SE/63 SE/63 DE. HCS

11-24-2003, 09:51 AM	#29
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Henrik, sorry, if your G-Date has stick eagle marks, it isn't a G-Date. G-Dates only have Droop Wing Eagle Marks!! If you send me an email with your email address, I'll send you a photo of both!!

11-30-2003, 09:06 AM	#30
HCS User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Frank Sorry I replyed my last post from work, so I could not examine the P08, I remembered wrong, the eagles are all DE but two different ones, two with small wings and one with longer wings. To repeat again it is marked DE/63 DE/63 DE(long ver. wings eagle without any number). HCS

11-30-2003, 09:19 AM	#31
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Henrik, thanks!! The DE/63 marks are acceptance indications (inspection) while the DE (without a number) is a test firing proof mark.

12-09-2003, 04:26 PM	#32
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Hi Frank heres mine w154 s92 8069d dw63 dw 63 7218e

12-09-2003, 08:00 PM	#33
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Hi Frank only other letter it can be is an (a) but no matter how hard I look its still a(d) to me

12-09-2003, 09:17 PM	#34
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Richard, OK thanks for looking. The "a" alternate makes more sense than a "d". The "a" is within the data range and the "d" is about 8000 numbers too high. If you would send a photo to me, or post it here, I can take a stab at the identification. AND thanks for the data!! There is a section showing the various suffix in the Technical Information that Ed Tinker worked up. It shows a very good example of both a G-Date "a" and "d"!! That might also help.

12-14-2003, 11:40 AM	#35
zeke New User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Purchased my first luger 2 weeks ago, it is a s/42 G date. Serial # is 2377 (no prefix or suffix) 211 (with eagle above it), S/92 and downward wings. It is supposed to be a war bring back, all parts visible in assembled mode match (haven't taken it apart yet). Don't see any g-dates seriaql #'s without prefix or suffix? Am not knowledgable about lugers, but it appears to be in very good shape (also not very knowledgable about rating condition)

12-14-2003, 03:31 PM	#36
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Zeke, thanks for the attempt. In this post string, John Sabato has shown a photo of the frame front, just below the barrel, which is the location of the serial number, both numbers and the letter suffix. Your Luger should have a "d" suffix, just below the numbers on the frame front. Please let me know!

12-14-2003, 05:05 PM	#37
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Frank I have one with D/E63 & D/E63 ser.#1989f also one I just sold that is W-154 & S/92 ser.#6669c Hope this helps Don

12-14-2003, 11:13 PM	#38
zeke New User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Frank-thanks for directing me, there is a small case "d" at the front of frame on the radius below the serial #. Am quessing it's a d, it appears to have a little upswept tail on it. The mag is stamped 1798, and no letters but an eagle with 63 below it. Always wanted a luger, rumored to be very accurate.

12-15-2003, 12:53 AM	#39
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Zeke and Don H, thanks much for the data, it is all appreciated! Zeke, the eagle on the magazine is most probably a stick or straight wing eagle. With no suffix, it was probably used for a late 1937 or early 1938 Luger. The proper magazine for your G-Date should DE/211 stamped where the E/63 is marked on your magazine.

12-22-2003, 10:31 PM	#40
QCMAN007 User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, from another newbie, a byf SE/41 Ser#4558r Is this the correct info ?