byf 42 luger info - Page 2

wlyon · 02-12-2009, 11:04 PM

The grips are held in place by the top edges and the two grip screws. Remove the screws, remove the mag, place your finger inside and carefully push outward near the bottom of the grip. They should come off very easily. Be especially cautious on the left grip it is thin around the safety and prone to breakage. Yes the grips should be numbered. It might be difficult to see the numbers unless the grips are removed. They should be removed since the frame underneath could be rusty. Bill

Silvereagle29 · 02-13-2009, 10:49 PM

Hi
Reference serial number 59. Does this pistol have a letter suffix under the serial number on the frame. There is much to be learned by the letter suffix.
Thanks

Silvereagle29 · 02-14-2009, 05:43 PM

Did I mis the letter suffix of your Luger, the letter under the frame serial number tells a great story when reviewed.
Don

swattley · 02-14-2009, 09:45 PM

the letter is h i thought it was interesting that this lugar had only a two digit serial number.

Silvereagle29 · 02-15-2009, 01:23 AM

Great 59h
That tells me the gun is getting close to the end of the Mauser Luger production and there is no barrel gauge on the bottom of the barrel. Only the serial number. Thanks
Don

Silvereagle29 · 02-15-2009, 01:32 AM

59h
Forgot a couple things, grips can be black plastic or wood, if wood probably marked SE-135, some may be numbered. magazine can be a 6-MM-fxo (black plastic base, fxo with a right side up P 08 and fxo marked) possibly a 5-MM-fxo magazine right side up P 08 mark with a concave pinned aluminum base with no numbers. Most Luger magazines were not numbered after the - u - block of the 41-byf production. Nice looking pistol.
Don

Silvereagle29 · 02-15-2009, 01:36 AM

Wlyon
Being a Montana boy, did you know Bill Munis. He was a very close friend.
Don

swattley · 02-15-2009, 11:27 AM

silver eagle, is it possible the grips might not have a stamp with the serial number?i do not see a number when i look up in the mag well. the gun came with one mag with a plastic bottom, and one mag with a aluminumn bottom and a mismatch stamped serial. it also has the holster with tool.
and i actually have an extra holster a freind gave me a few years ago. both about the same condition

Silvereagle29 · 02-15-2009, 04:06 PM

The wooden grips on a 42-byf will usually have a SE-135 acceptance mark. Some were numbered with the last two digits of the serial number; most were not numbered. Most collectors remove the right grip to check the back of the grip panel for an acceptance mark or number. Normally (as someone mentioned) it's not wise to remove the left grip because it's very easy to break the fragile area around the saety lever. The black plastic bottom fxo magazine (6-MM-fxo) is correct for your Luger. If the pistol was equipped with a concave pinned aluminum base fxo magazine (5-MM-fxo) it should not be numbered. If I were to find a 42-byf number 1234h with matching magazines, I would really have very strong second thoughts about these magazines. Mauser severly curtailed the numbering of Luger magazines after the - u - block of the 41-byf Luger production. Describe the aluminum magazine that you have with the gun and I will tell you it's history; color, aceptance marks, serial number and letter suffix. The holster should be dated 42 with a P 08 in the right corner on the back. The tool should be marked SE-135. My opinion. Good luck.

wlyon · 02-17-2009, 05:52 PM

Don
Yes I did know Bill Munis. Also did some luger trading with him. Ed Tinker, John Coe and I attended his funeral. He was one of the good ones. Bill

Silvereagle29 · 02-17-2009, 09:11 PM

Bill

Send me an email at drh@oz.net we can talk about our mutual friend Bill M.

Don

swattley · 02-20-2009, 05:19 PM

silver eagle these are the two mags i got with the gun, the one with the plastic bottom is broken and does not have the fxo stamp. the other is stamped 6673 with an a and a wing stamp. what you thing of these do either match the gun. the 6673 is in real nice shape

swattley · 02-22-2009, 11:30 AM

anyone else know any details on clips for the luger, i notice a change in how these 2 clips are made, one seems to be of stamped steel and maybe assembled in a press, and the other has an extruded look, i wonder if the one with the cracked plastic is the one that came with this gun, there are proofing stamps with the wing and a number 35 below the wing, i am trying to learn here at this point.
would it be good for me over time to pick up 2 fxo mags to make it more correct?

Edward Tinker · 02-22-2009, 11:49 AM

Folks like the bakelite ones because they weren't "numbered" and thus easier to say it "matches" their luger.

Lugerdoc should have some plastic bases that would fix yours, they are extremly nice examples and hard to tell from the original.

Ed

A.Mifsin · 02-22-2009, 11:59 AM

From 1934 to 1942 the Army had 4 types of magazines.
type 1 1934 to 1936, type 2 1936 to 1940, type 3 1939 to 1941 and type 4 1941 to 1942.
Your Luger I think shouls have type 4 which is fxo and P.08 marked with either aliminum or black plastic
The first two were shaped from sheet metal and the last two were extruded with square bottom plus a zig-zig spring, instead of the coil spring of the first two.
Alf.

02-12-2009, 11:04 PM	#21
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	The grips are held in place by the top edges and the two grip screws. Remove the screws, remove the mag, place your finger inside and carefully push outward near the bottom of the grip. They should come off very easily. Be especially cautious on the left grip it is thin around the safety and prone to breakage. Yes the grips should be numbered. It might be difficult to see the numbers unless the grips are removed. They should be removed since the frame underneath could be rusty. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-17-2009, 05:52 PM	#30
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	Don Yes I did know Bill Munis. Also did some luger trading with him. Ed Tinker, John Coe and I attended his funeral. He was one of the good ones. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-20-2009, 05:19 PM	#32
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	silver eagle these are the two mags i got with the gun, the one with the plastic bottom is broken and does not have the fxo stamp. the other is stamped 6673 with an a and a wing stamp. what you thing of these do either match the gun. the 6673 is in real nice shape Attached Thumbnails

02-22-2009, 11:49 AM	#34
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Folks like the bakelite ones because they weren't "numbered" and thus easier to say it "matches" their luger. Lugerdoc should have some plastic bases that would fix yours, they are extremly nice examples and hard to tell from the original. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-22-2009, 11:59 AM	#35
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	From 1934 to 1942 the Army had 4 types of magazines. type 1 1934 to 1936, type 2 1936 to 1940, type 3 1939 to 1941 and type 4 1941 to 1942. Your Luger I think shouls have type 4 which is fxo and P.08 marked with either aliminum or black plastic The first two were shaped from sheet metal and the last two were extruded with square bottom plus a zig-zig spring, instead of the coil spring of the first two. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

02-13-2009, 10:49 PM	#22
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Reference serial number 59. Does this pistol have a letter suffix under the serial number on the frame. There is much to be learned by the letter suffix. Thanks

02-14-2009, 05:43 PM	#23
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Did I mis the letter suffix of your Luger, the letter under the frame serial number tells a great story when reviewed. Don

02-14-2009, 09:45 PM	#24
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the letter is h i thought it was interesting that this lugar had only a two digit serial number.

02-15-2009, 01:23 AM	#25
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Great 59h That tells me the gun is getting close to the end of the Mauser Luger production and there is no barrel gauge on the bottom of the barrel. Only the serial number. Thanks Don

02-15-2009, 01:32 AM	#26
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	59h Forgot a couple things, grips can be black plastic or wood, if wood probably marked SE-135, some may be numbered. magazine can be a 6-MM-fxo (black plastic base, fxo with a right side up P 08 and fxo marked) possibly a 5-MM-fxo magazine right side up P 08 mark with a concave pinned aluminum base with no numbers. Most Luger magazines were not numbered after the - u - block of the 41-byf production. Nice looking pistol. Don

02-15-2009, 01:36 AM	#27
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Wlyon Being a Montana boy, did you know Bill Munis. He was a very close friend. Don

02-15-2009, 11:27 AM	#28
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	silver eagle, is it possible the grips might not have a stamp with the serial number?i do not see a number when i look up in the mag well. the gun came with one mag with a plastic bottom, and one mag with a aluminumn bottom and a mismatch stamped serial. it also has the holster with tool. and i actually have an extra holster a freind gave me a few years ago. both about the same condition

02-15-2009, 04:06 PM	#29
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	The wooden grips on a 42-byf will usually have a SE-135 acceptance mark. Some were numbered with the last two digits of the serial number; most were not numbered. Most collectors remove the right grip to check the back of the grip panel for an acceptance mark or number. Normally (as someone mentioned) it's not wise to remove the left grip because it's very easy to break the fragile area around the saety lever. The black plastic bottom fxo magazine (6-MM-fxo) is correct for your Luger. If the pistol was equipped with a concave pinned aluminum base fxo magazine (5-MM-fxo) it should not be numbered. If I were to find a 42-byf number 1234h with matching magazines, I would really have very strong second thoughts about these magazines. Mauser severly curtailed the numbering of Luger magazines after the - u - block of the 41-byf Luger production. Describe the aluminum magazine that you have with the gun and I will tell you it's history; color, aceptance marks, serial number and letter suffix. The holster should be dated 42 with a P 08 in the right corner on the back. The tool should be marked SE-135. My opinion. Good luck.

02-17-2009, 09:11 PM	#31
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Bill Send me an email at drh@oz.net we can talk about our mutual friend Bill M. Don

02-22-2009, 11:30 AM	#33
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	anyone else know any details on clips for the luger, i notice a change in how these 2 clips are made, one seems to be of stamped steel and maybe assembled in a press, and the other has an extruded look, i wonder if the one with the cracked plastic is the one that came with this gun, there are proofing stamps with the wing and a number 35 below the wing, i am trying to learn here at this point. would it be good for me over time to pick up 2 fxo mags to make it more correct?