Carbine by Lugerman - Page 2

sheepherder · 11-09-2013, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Rich, the wood appears to me to be black walnut...

Oh...I thought black walnut was that really dark, almost black, colored walnut...

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Eugene shapes it...I looked at the pics on the Ironwood Designs site showing their CNC wood lathe/workstation...That is cool!!! I am wondering if Eugene has one of those...With the checkering attachment & program...

LugerMan.com · 11-10-2013, 08:59 AM

I think that may be correct. The wood turns redish brown with nice warm color. This is last of the batch of 10 cuts i had. Grips will be cut from the same wood. Looking for new slubs all the time. Anyone got new walnut that is taking up space let me know. I got 3 stumps 2 years back. Of an American walnut and its been drying waiting fir its day. 5 years back someone send me wood that was a marble red and gray, best cut i have ever seen. Was not able to find anything like that ever agein. I think one of the examples posted is that gun.

LugerMan.com · 11-10-2013, 09:06 AM

CNC is wishfull thinking. I got a manual big ass variable speed bridgport and a tallented machinist that came with it :0).

Next plan is to make the 45 luger in a small batch, and then get a CNC for a big run. Will happen some day,if one dears to dream.

Chekering and fitting all done by hand. I do have the chekering head but do not like,to use it it comes handy for the stock and forearm. Grips i cut by hand most of the time.

LugerMan.com · 11-10-2013, 09:09 AM

English walnut i have seen has black stripes in it, and the wood itself of a light brown with a yellow sand like tone.

This wood is darker more reddish color.

alanint · 11-10-2013, 08:55 PM

So, photos of the carbine anytime soon?

sheepherder · 11-10-2013, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

So, photos of the carbine anytime soon?

Doug - I believe the 'G' date Luger that Eugene has posted pics of is the Luger that Ed supplied for the conversion...

So, it's coming along...

Olle · 11-10-2013, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I would like to see this a 'sticky', covering the evolution of this particular Luger into a carbine. Fascinating stuff!

Absolutely! It would be great if Eugene could cover the process in step-by-step pictures, I'm sure that it would make a lot of people understand and appreciate all the tedious work that goes into a project like this.

Edward Tinker · 11-10-2013, 11:28 PM

Ollie, I am saving the pertinent posts by Eugene and will have a great step by step in one place - good for him - good for us.

I just am excited and want to see it in real life. Need to just go see him (make an appointment)

Ed

Edward Tinker · 11-11-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Just send a PM back,

Also if you want to start the new thread about evolution of the project in that PM let me know.

We can put it on display for everyone to see ;0)

yes, I have already split off posts by you and a few others, simply to show the progression and eventual firing of the carbine by me. It is in a moderated status so I can add to it, but no one else can see. That said, as you add to this thread, I will add to that one

And you already know I am excited to see it done and a shining example of your work

gizmo · 11-12-2013, 09:09 PM

Any other members with Carbines or carbine projects in progress?

gizmo

LugerMan.com · 11-12-2013, 09:15 PM

Hi,
I got 3 on order this year with Ed's,
I got room for 2 more.

Until next batch at the end of next year.

sheepherder · 11-12-2013, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Hi,
I got 3 on order this year with Ed's,
I got room for 2 more.

Until next batch at the end of next year.

Is that because it takes a year to complete five carbines???...Or do you do different groups of projects in 'batches'???

LugerMan.com · 11-12-2013, 09:28 PM

Both ... ;0)

Mostly because they are a pain in the a$$

And not exactly money makers ..
I do little at a time when there is nothing else to do.

But mostly because i cut parts for them in small batches,
like rear sight and stocks and forearm blanks.

Once i do the milling for them , i do not get time on the mill because it's doing something else , not carbines, until next year.

Overall, in the past 5 years i turned around about 5 a year, give or take.

Last year there was a strange time when i had 3 sitting ready in the safe waiting for payments.

I decided to take the picture of the two next to each other.

Only happened once in past 5 years ;0)

They sell faster then i can make them , that's for sure.

Thanks for your interest.

Edward Tinker · 11-12-2013, 10:16 PM

well I hope you sell all five but of course I am looking for a package with MY name on it, hah, hah

so, what comes after Step 3 ?

LugerMan.com · 11-12-2013, 10:26 PM

I will fit the front sight,
checker the front ramp
Put numbers on the rear sight
and fit the rear sight slider
and cut the chamber to the toggle assembly.

All happening tomorrow i hope,
today i am taking care of some other screaming customers ;0)

CAP Black · 11-21-2013, 12:28 AM

The comment by Eugene is very demeaning. Of course I am not stupid enough to try to put a spring in without taking the lever out first. There is no spring in there to take out because Eugene already said it must not have ever been installed by him as the lever has fallen out every time I have broken the gun down.
He first told me to take the forearm off?????
I am looking for the hole to put the stem end of the spring into and get the spring in there. Of course I have to know where and which position the spring should be in such as: which end goes up, down, left, or right. And where to find the hole. Next how to get it into the space? Bend it? How to hold in place???
Jack

alanint · 11-22-2013, 07:32 AM

If Eugene's fore-end lug design really covers the spring hole, in future, perhaps the lug should include a larger access hole which gives access to the smaller hole in the frame. Creating dead end holes where debris can accumulate or a part can break off and remain without a "through" option for pushing it out is never a good design.

gizmo · 11-22-2013, 12:22 PM

Ron...I have some pics of an original installation as well as my work in progress that will be of interest, clarifying the current discussion considerably, I believe... but for the life of me can't transmit them via my Ipad with I0S 7. If I can some how send via a direct email, that might defeat the Ipad demons, but there must be a better way?

Suggestions anybody?

Thanks,

gizmo

gizmo · 11-22-2013, 12:53 PM

Thanks, Ed...IOS 7 seems to have some warts, though it is very pretty. If you have not yet transitioned, probably wise to wait a bit until they are worked out. This issue seems to be one of them. There are ways to send images, but rather obtuse, to say the least and it must be done in some format I am yet to figure out.

So be on the look out for a straight forward email with included photos, that I emailed to myself (Ipad will do that!)

Your assistance is greatly appreciated, past and present!

gizmo

sheepherder · 11-22-2013, 04:53 PM

...

...Is that an original Luger carbine, a Eugene conversion, or someone else's fabrication???

11-10-2013, 08:59 AM	#22
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	I think that may be correct. The wood turns redish brown with nice warm color. This is last of the batch of 10 cuts i had. Grips will be cut from the same wood. Looking for new slubs all the time. Anyone got new walnut that is taking up space let me know. I got 3 stumps 2 years back. Of an American walnut and its been drying waiting fir its day. 5 years back someone send me wood that was a marble red and gray, best cut i have ever seen. Was not able to find anything like that ever agein. I think one of the examples posted is that gun. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-10-2013, 09:06 AM	#23
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Cnc CNC is wishfull thinking. I got a manual big ass variable speed bridgport and a tallented machinist that came with it :0). Next plan is to make the 45 luger in a small batch, and then get a CNC for a big run. Will happen some day,if one dears to dream. Chekering and fitting all done by hand. I do have the chekering head but do not like,to use it it comes handy for the stock and forearm. Grips i cut by hand most of the time. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-10-2013, 09:09 AM	#24
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	English walnut English walnut i have seen has black stripes in it, and the wood itself of a light brown with a yellow sand like tone. This wood is darker more reddish color. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-10-2013, 11:28 PM	#28
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Ollie, I am saving the pertinent posts by Eugene and will have a great step by step in one place - good for him - good for us. I just am excited and want to see it in real life. Need to just go see him (make an appointment) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-12-2013, 09:15 PM	#31
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	More carbines Hi, I got 3 on order this year with Ed's, I got room for 2 more. Until next batch at the end of next year. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-10-2013, 08:55 PM	#25
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	So, photos of the carbine anytime soon?

11-12-2013, 09:09 PM	#30
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Any other members with Carbines or carbine projects in progress? gizmo

11-12-2013, 09:28 PM	#33
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Carbines Both ... ;0) Mostly because they are a pain in the a$$ And not exactly money makers .. I do little at a time when there is nothing else to do. But mostly because i cut parts for them in small batches, like rear sight and stocks and forearm blanks. Once i do the milling for them , i do not get time on the mill because it's doing something else , not carbines, until next year. Overall, in the past 5 years i turned around about 5 a year, give or take. Last year there was a strange time when i had 3 sitting ready in the safe waiting for payments. I decided to take the picture of the two next to each other. Only happened once in past 5 years ;0) They sell faster then i can make them , that's for sure. Thanks for your interest. __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-12-2013, 10:16 PM	#34
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	well I hope you sell all five but of course I am looking for a package with MY name on it, hah, hah so, what comes after Step 3 ?

11-12-2013, 10:26 PM	#35
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Step 4 I will fit the front sight, checker the front ramp Put numbers on the rear sight and fit the rear sight slider and cut the chamber to the toggle assembly. All happening tomorrow i hope, today i am taking care of some other screaming customers ;0) __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

11-21-2013, 12:28 AM	#36
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	The comment by Eugene is very demeaning. Of course I am not stupid enough to try to put a spring in without taking the lever out first. There is no spring in there to take out because Eugene already said it must not have ever been installed by him as the lever has fallen out every time I have broken the gun down. He first told me to take the forearm off????? I am looking for the hole to put the stem end of the spring into and get the spring in there. Of course I have to know where and which position the spring should be in such as: which end goes up, down, left, or right. And where to find the hole. Next how to get it into the space? Bend it? How to hold in place??? Jack

11-22-2013, 07:32 AM	#37
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If Eugene's fore-end lug design really covers the spring hole, in future, perhaps the lug should include a larger access hole which gives access to the smaller hole in the frame. Creating dead end holes where debris can accumulate or a part can break off and remain without a "through" option for pushing it out is never a good design.

11-22-2013, 12:22 PM	#38
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	relationship of carbine stock extension to locking lever and spring o Ron...I have some pics of an original installation as well as my work in progress that will be of interest, clarifying the current discussion considerably, I believe... but for the life of me can't transmit them via my Ipad with I0S 7. If I can some how send via a direct email, that might defeat the Ipad demons, but there must be a better way? Suggestions anybody? Thanks, gizmo

11-22-2013, 12:53 PM	#39
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Ipad issues, locking springs, carbine extensions, etc. Thanks, Ed...IOS 7 seems to have some warts, though it is very pretty. If you have not yet transitioned, probably wise to wait a bit until they are worked out. This issue seems to be one of them. There are ways to send images, but rather obtuse, to say the least and it must be done in some format I am yet to figure out. So be on the look out for a straight forward email with included photos, that I emailed to myself (Ipad will do that!) Your assistance is greatly appreciated, past and present! gizmo Attached Thumbnails

11-22-2013, 04:53 PM	#40
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	... ...Is that an original Luger carbine, a Eugene conversion, or someone else's fabrication??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...