A 30 luger 1911 barrel, who can do it? - Page 2

rhuff · 01-07-2012, 07:00 PM

That is fantastic stuff!!! Like I said above, I know my limitations, and I would NEVER attempt anything like you have done. I take my hat off to you Sir.....

sheepherder · 01-07-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rhuff

...I take my hat off to you Sir.....

Yankees hat??? I saw one in the stands on TV and I decided I want one...but 8 1/2 hours drive to see a game and then another 8 1/2 hours drive home...I can do without the hat...

sheepherder · 01-08-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Kinda interesting about the factory 38 super. I seem to remember 10 for the 30 Luger, and 22 for the 9mm. Not sure what the 38 super is(SAAMI site not available for me) but a WAG would be about 22...

I've never seen a listing...and I can't get into SAAMI site to check either...Members only??? Looks like they sell a book (looking at Google cache)...They want you to join or buy the book??? - Maybe that's why we can't get in???

sheepherder · 01-09-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...0Automatic.pdf

Ummm...You do know that is for the 32 Automatic, right???

I still can't get in...All I can get is a .PDF of the table of contents...

Merick · 01-09-2012, 07:15 PM

Holy Smokes! I have been away from computers for a while and was not expecting all this. I'll have to read this through a few times and put my questions up after I think on it some, thanks for all the input.

I do already have a 1911 in 9mm,a rock island. No show piece to be certain, but the price was right, its cheap to shoot, and even cheaper with cast reloads, and low down dirt cheap with a marvel type 22 conversion. I figure it would be something to learn and work on. With that in mind, so far so good.

On to the 30 project; The official rock island service/parts page has replacement 9mm barrels right around $50. How much fitting those would take, I would guess not much to get to the factory level of assembly. I figure get a new barrel to fit and work as well as the one in the gun now, then proceed with the project.

And on the ammo front, I have nearly assembled all the tools I need to turn 223 brass to 30 luger brass. I bet few people know that redding cutter heads fit rcbs cutters, and fewer still know that a forster inside reamer (the only inside reamers available as far as I know) will fit the correct redding cutter head. I still need the shell holder plate, but then my rcbs-redding-forster trimmer-reamer will be complete. I even picked up some bullets this weekend, berry 71 gr .312. Barrel measures 310, and the bearing surface is really small, so I think they will work out, if not I have some other ideas for them.

sheepherder · 01-09-2012, 07:31 PM

Here's the 38 Super spec PDF -

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...0Automatic.pdf

sheepherder · 01-09-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Merick

Holy Smokes! I have been away from computers for a while and was not expecting all this...

There's more...Check out the 'Guerrilla Gunsmithing' thread in Repairs, Restoration & Refinishing...It's enough to put anyone to sleep...

sheepherder · 01-09-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Rich,

I think the SAAMI site was just down for whatever reason. As you know the 38 auto and the 38 super are semi-rimmed, the spec from the site shows headspace on the rim...

I see the graphic showing the rim, but where is the decimal value of the headspace???

Oh! The X with a circle!!! *.050" min - .070" max*??? They're showing that as inclusive of the rim...Which is .039" to .050"...so headspace would actually be .011" to .020"...As I read their document...

That's more like it...

The Colt Gov't Model does not index on the rim...The barrel hood would interfere...If you check my pics, you'll notice I cut the chamber before milling the liner away around the hood...because I knew that would knock the reamer off center if I cut the liner away first...

If I'm reading the 7.65 Luger PDF correctly, that headspace is .007" - .010"...

sheepherder · 01-09-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Merick

I do already have a 1911 in 9mm,a rock island...On to the 30 project; The official rock island service/parts page has replacement 9mm barrels right around $50. How much fitting those would take, I would guess not much to get to the factory level of assembly. I figure get a new barrel to fit and work as well as the one in the gun now, then proceed with the project.

That sounds like a good plan!

The procedure I outlined in my other thread is just one way to do it...I'm used to that way from my C96 Mauser re-barrels. Silver soldering a straight or even a stepped liner in is another way, but I'm not familiar with that...Not too much anyway...

sheepherder · 01-10-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Merick

And on the ammo front, I have nearly assembled all the tools I need to turn 223 brass to 30 luger brass...

I have done this...I could make some suggestions, if you are interested...

sheepherder · 12-02-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merick

I am looking for someone that has a lathe, a 30 luger reamer, enough interest to try this, and hopefully enough luck and talent to succeed.

Matt -

Did you ever get your M1911 barrel converted to 30 Luger???

rhuff · 12-02-2012, 04:54 PM

I also am interested in the progress, if any in this project.

sheepherder · 12-02-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rhuff

I also am interested in the progress, if any in this project.

Here's something you might be interested in -

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1289530A.htm

Colt 1911 7.62 x 25 Conversion Kit

I'm interested myself...If I only knew if my RIAC bid won or not!!!

Lugerdoc · 12-03-2012, 12:37 PM

Just remember, in addition to changing the barrel, to change the mag, reoil spring & EJECTOR. TH

rhuff · 12-03-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

Here's something you might be interested in -

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1289530A.htm

Colt 1911 7.62 x 25 Conversion Kit

I'm interested myself...If I only knew if my RIAC bid won or not!!!

Oh Lord, something else for me get interested in. I am sooo weak when it comes to this type of thing. So far, I don't own a Govt. size 1911 in 9mm/38Super. I am more interested in a Commander size 9mm.

After a 15 months wait, and more than a couple of phone calls, I received my BarSto barrels in 30 Luger for a Browning Hi Power and a Colt Detective originally in 40 S&W. It was worth the wait, just to get them. I have fitted the new barrel to the BHP, and finally found the correct recoil spring rate for reliable function with both 85gr FMJ, and 93gr FMJ. What a kick, and scary accurate.

I plan to start on the Colt Detective project next, and hopefully get it up and running soon. Wish me luck!!

Obviously, I reload for the 30 Luger cartridge, and can afford to shoot it all that I want.

unspellable · 01-16-2013, 10:28 PM

My guess is that if you have the barrel and magazine in hand you are going to find you need a new recoil spring. I say this because I have a Ruger P89 in 7.65 Parabellum. This is a factory jssue pistol and has a different recoil spring than the 9 mm. Even so, it does not cycle in a very enthusiastic msnner even though it has never failed to cycle.

Hugh · 01-21-2013, 02:23 AM

I bought a 1911 Colt 30 Luger bbl off ebay way back before they banned gun stuff. I cut it to Commander length, and assembled a 3 caliber Commander; 38 Super, 9mm, & 30 Luger:

glock30 · 02-01-2013, 09:04 PM

Unique.

BogeyB · 02-06-2013, 09:10 PM

Hugh,

That's way cool! I seem to remember that Colt made the Series 70 LW Commander in .30 Luger for sale in Italy in the '70's. I think they only made 700 or so. I saw one on RIA that went for $3500.00.

Mike

6string · 11-22-2013, 05:59 AM

Hi,
I hope it's OK to add to a post that's been dormant for a while.
There's a gunsmith I know who was actively pursuing 30 Luger in the 1911, specifically for use in NRA Bullseye competition. He got Bar-Sto to make him a few barrels. He is also a Master ranked shooter. I shot with him many times and witnessed some very impressive scores, especially on the 50 yd. slow fire course. If I recall correctly, he used a cast bullet hand load.
I did try his pistol myself and can say the recoil and muzzle blast were quite mild.
Anyhow, the guy's name is Dave Salyer. He's on the various Bullseye forums and sites such as:

http://www.bullseyepistol.com

http://www.bullseyeforum.net

Best Regards,
Jim

01-09-2012, 07:31 PM	#26
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Here's the 38 Super spec PDF - http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC...0Automatic.pdf __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-03-2012, 12:37 PM	#34
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Just remember, in addition to changing the barrel, to change the mag, reoil spring & EJECTOR. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-21-2013, 02:23 AM	#37
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I bought a 1911 Colt 30 Luger bbl off ebay way back before they banned gun stuff. I cut it to Commander length, and assembled a 3 caliber Commander; 38 Super, 9mm, & 30 Luger: __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

02-06-2013, 09:10 PM	#39
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 420 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	Hugh, That's way cool! I seem to remember that Colt made the Series 70 LW Commander in .30 Luger for sale in Italy in the '70's. I think they only made 700 or so. I saw one on RIA that went for $3500.00. Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

01-07-2012, 07:00 PM	#21
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	That is fantastic stuff!!! Like I said above, I know my limitations, and I would NEVER attempt anything like you have done. I take my hat off to you Sir.....

01-09-2012, 07:15 PM	#25
Merick User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Holy Smokes! I have been away from computers for a while and was not expecting all this. I'll have to read this through a few times and put my questions up after I think on it some, thanks for all the input. I do already have a 1911 in 9mm,a rock island. No show piece to be certain, but the price was right, its cheap to shoot, and even cheaper with cast reloads, and low down dirt cheap with a marvel type 22 conversion. I figure it would be something to learn and work on. With that in mind, so far so good. On to the 30 project; The official rock island service/parts page has replacement 9mm barrels right around $50. How much fitting those would take, I would guess not much to get to the factory level of assembly. I figure get a new barrel to fit and work as well as the one in the gun now, then proceed with the project. And on the ammo front, I have nearly assembled all the tools I need to turn 223 brass to 30 luger brass. I bet few people know that redding cutter heads fit rcbs cutters, and fewer still know that a forster inside reamer (the only inside reamers available as far as I know) will fit the correct redding cutter head. I still need the shell holder plate, but then my rcbs-redding-forster trimmer-reamer will be complete. I even picked up some bullets this weekend, berry 71 gr .312. Barrel measures 310, and the bearing surface is really small, so I think they will work out, if not I have some other ideas for them.

12-02-2012, 04:54 PM	#32
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I also am interested in the progress, if any in this project.

01-16-2013, 10:28 PM	#36
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	My guess is that if you have the barrel and magazine in hand you are going to find you need a new recoil spring. I say this because I have a Ruger P89 in 7.65 Parabellum. This is a factory jssue pistol and has a different recoil spring than the 9 mm. Even so, it does not cycle in a very enthusiastic msnner even though it has never failed to cycle.

02-01-2013, 09:04 PM	#38
glock30 User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Obama LAND Posts: 206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Unique.

11-22-2013, 05:59 AM	#40
6string User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi, I hope it's OK to add to a post that's been dormant for a while. There's a gunsmith I know who was actively pursuing 30 Luger in the 1911, specifically for use in NRA Bullseye competition. He got Bar-Sto to make him a few barrels. He is also a Master ranked shooter. I shot with him many times and witnessed some very impressive scores, especially on the 50 yd. slow fire course. If I recall correctly, he used a cast bullet hand load. I did try his pistol myself and can say the recoil and muzzle blast were quite mild. Anyhow, the guy's name is Dave Salyer. He's on the various Bullseye forums and sites such as: http://www.bullseyepistol.com http://www.bullseyeforum.net Best Regards, Jim