New acquisition!!! 1911 DWM - Page 2

Geo99 · 12-23-2014, 12:06 AM

Nyghtfall,

Sometimes those old grips fall right off, but sometimes they are stuck (I have one like that). If the grip is stuck, it helps to put your finger in the mag well and push out on the bottom of the grip, rather than trying to pry the grip up and break it more.

You have a very nice collectable, and I must say, some excellent beginners luck!

- Geo

JTD · 12-23-2014, 08:24 PM

I would advise leaving the grips as is, and not clean them. Nice early luger. John

Nyghtfall · 12-23-2014, 09:07 PM

BTW, if anyone is interested, I paid $800 for the gun.

alvin · 12-23-2014, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyghtfall

BTW, if anyone is interested, I paid $800 for the gun.

Luger is very widely distributed. One peasant phrase,,,if translating into English,, roughly says "a son who sold his father's land cheaply did not feel painful". Not every son behaves that way, but as long as the volume is there well distributed, some sons do that, statistically

CAP Black · 12-23-2014, 09:42 PM

I think something got lost in that translation
Jack

alvin · 12-23-2014, 09:47 PM

Well, the original phrase probably describes men who sold their ancestor's properties and then wasted money on gumbling, opium, brothel, etc. If putting in regular living,,,, still acceptable. The original phrase did not say that though. For a peasant, sold land, then he lost everything. But we can expand the meaning as above. Never mind, it's off topic, I know.

Geo99 · 12-24-2014, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyghtfall

BTW, if anyone is interested, I paid $800 for the gun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Luger is very widely distributed. One peasant phrase,,,if translating into English,, roughly says "a son who sold his father's land cheaply did not feel painful". Not every son behaves that way, but as long as the volume is there well distributed, some sons do that, statistically

Alvin,
I think what you are saying is someone sold that gun way too cheap, probably because it was inherited and they had no interest in it. Am I close?

Nyghtfall, you're either very lucky or an amazing negotiator! Where did you find this Luger for $800?

alvin · 12-24-2014, 04:39 AM

Just did a little bit statistics on Luger value based on public data.

Morphy sold a few Lugers a few days ago. Sold price listed below, the number after "/" sign is the final cost, with 18% BP counted:

byf42, #6997, 95%, $1500/1770
42, 1940, #6219, mismatch, $750/885
DWM 1912, #92, 90%, $950/1121
Erfurt 1918, #3536, 80%, $750/885
S/42, #3783, %95, $1900/2242
byf42, #9206, %95, $1600/1888
42, 1940, #5433, $1800/2124
DWM 1918 LP08, #4868, $2000/2360
Mauser Interarms, 9mm, $1600/1888
DWM 1917, %65, $750/885
DWM 1917, %70, $750/885
DWM 1917, %85, $750/885
byf41, #8131, %98, $3000/3540
DWM (1920), #455, 7.65mm, %98, $750/885
DWM (1920), #9662, 9mm, %90, $750/885
42, 1939, #9308, %95, $1800/2124
DWM (1920), Police, 9mm, #1285, %92, $800/944
Erfurt 1917, #3399, %95, $1100/1298

DWM 1912 sold $1121. But consider auction house charges a fee on seller too, the final $$ falling into owner's pocket is probably about $800. So, market value range is $800-$1200.

From this list, it's interesting to notice Interarms. I was interested in it, but I did not even have a chance, too many people love it and pumped it up quickly.

alvin · 12-24-2014, 05:12 AM

Here is the link, the "Sold for" was the hammer price, 18% BP not counted yet. Adding 18% is the final price:

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=89390

Sergio Natali · 12-24-2014, 05:53 AM

Alvin

Here we have more or less the same saying, anyway all things considered prices are lower in the States, for instance the below pictured 1920 Commercial is for sale at the equivalent price of USD 2350.00 and that very common 1936 S/42 rechambered 9x21 IMI for USD 1470.00

Sergio

Nyghtfall · 12-24-2014, 09:23 AM

Here's the scoop. I found the Luger on Gunlistists.org. It was here in Missouri. The gentleman had it listed for 2-3 months. He had it listed to trade. I had contacted him a few times. He set a value at $1200. Well I had a handgun that I had about $800 in. I offered to trade and he jumped on it. I had to drive about 50 miles to make the deal. My Dad had always wanted a Luger and never had one. So I grew up wanting one too. I wanted it to shoot, but thought I would check it out for value beforehand. Glad I did!!!! Guess it was a better deal than I initially thought!!!!

Geo99 · 12-24-2014, 11:02 PM

The hammer prices at Morphys are interesting. WWI sold for less than what I would expect, and much less than blue book, but WWII seem to be selling high. Are WWI Lugers falling out of favor?
Maybe I should start buying while they are cheap.

Geo99 · 12-24-2014, 11:22 PM

Alvin,

I looked at the 1912 on Morphys. It is missing a takedown spring, likely has repro or reblued grip screws (they're way too nice given the condition of the grips and gun), it has no pictures of the magazine so who knows what it has, and the straw is weak. On these auctions there is no way to determine the matching condition of all internal parts, so most people bid low to manage risk (I know I do). Market range for that gun on Morphys may be $1100-1200, but I would say the OP's gun & two mags is still worth more.

I also think that other than hard core collectors like us, very few people are buying old guns the week before Christmas - most folks are out shopping for gifts for family and friends, and fewer bidders means lower prices. The Interarms is a shocker though - that was a nice Christmas present for the seller!

- Geo

alvin · 12-25-2014, 10:33 AM

Geo -- There is some risk on auction buying due to their return policy. For regular DWM or Erfurt, if putting in hands of dedicated collectors, and grant them 3-day inspection, the risk should be zero. But auctioneer usually considers sales being final. For a $1000, or $2000 purchase, how many people will go across a few states distance to PA preview session? Probably only local people.

It's interesting to note "MR LUGER" (a collector of this type of gun) inspected those Lugers in auction. Although his description may not be 100% correct on all Lugers, the accuracy should be acceptable on a group of Lugers. After all, he's a Luger collector and numerous instances have passed through his hands over years. On specific instance,,,, say, this DWM 1912, spring and screw are not numbered parts, not inspector stamped parts either, so not big issue. The risk is not high at this price level.

Nyghtfall · 12-26-2014, 03:35 PM

FYI, I removed the grips, and they too are numbered to the gun. However, the cover plate is not numbered at all.

DavidJayUden · 12-26-2014, 03:45 PM

The side plate should be numbered with the last 2 digits. Certain that they are not along the lower edge of the plate, visible only from the bottom?
dju

Nyghtfall · 12-26-2014, 03:58 PM

You're right!!!!! There they are!!!!! Guess I expected them to be on the side. Thanks.

GerColctor · 01-27-2015, 02:13 PM

Very nice early unit marked Luger. As mentioned, great start to an historical collection. Thanks for sharing.

Joe

Douglas Jr. · 01-28-2015, 10:08 AM

Like the others said, it was a great start for a Luger collection.
And you paid the half of its actual value.
Congratulations and welcome to the club!

Douglas.

12-23-2014, 12:06 AM	#21
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Nyghtfall, Sometimes those old grips fall right off, but sometimes they are stuck (I have one like that). If the grip is stuck, it helps to put your finger in the mag well and push out on the bottom of the grip, rather than trying to pry the grip up and break it more. You have a very nice collectable, and I must say, some excellent beginners luck! - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

12-24-2014, 05:53 AM	#30
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin Here we have more or less the same saying, anyway all things considered prices are lower in the States, for instance the below pictured 1920 Commercial is for sale at the equivalent price of USD 2350.00 and that very common 1936 S/42 rechambered 9x21 IMI for USD 1470.00 Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-24-2014, 11:02 PM	#32
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	The hammer prices at Morphys are interesting. WWI sold for less than what I would expect, and much less than blue book, but WWII seem to be selling high. Are WWI Lugers falling out of favor? Maybe I should start buying while they are cheap. __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

01-27-2015, 02:13 PM	#38
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 311 Thanks: 2 Thanked 41 Times in 28 Posts	Very nice early unit marked Luger. As mentioned, great start to an historical collection. Thanks for sharing. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

12-23-2014, 08:24 PM	#22
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	I would advise leaving the grips as is, and not clean them. Nice early luger. John

12-23-2014, 09:07 PM	#23
Nyghtfall User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 14 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	BTW, if anyone is interested, I paid $800 for the gun.

12-23-2014, 09:42 PM	#25
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I think something got lost in that translation Jack

12-23-2014, 09:47 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Well, the original phrase probably describes men who sold their ancestor's properties and then wasted money on gumbling, opium, brothel, etc. If putting in regular living,,,, still acceptable. The original phrase did not say that though. For a peasant, sold land, then he lost everything. But we can expand the meaning as above. Never mind, it's off topic, I know.

12-24-2014, 04:39 AM	#28
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just did a little bit statistics on Luger value based on public data. Morphy sold a few Lugers a few days ago. Sold price listed below, the number after "/" sign is the final cost, with 18% BP counted: byf42, #6997, 95%, $1500/1770 42, 1940, #6219, mismatch, $750/885 DWM 1912, #92, 90%, $950/1121 Erfurt 1918, #3536, 80%, $750/885 S/42, #3783, %95, $1900/2242 byf42, #9206, %95, $1600/1888 42, 1940, #5433, $1800/2124 DWM 1918 LP08, #4868, $2000/2360 Mauser Interarms, 9mm, $1600/1888 DWM 1917, %65, $750/885 DWM 1917, %70, $750/885 DWM 1917, %85, $750/885 byf41, #8131, %98, $3000/3540 DWM (1920), #455, 7.65mm, %98, $750/885 DWM (1920), #9662, 9mm, %90, $750/885 42, 1939, #9308, %95, $1800/2124 DWM (1920), Police, 9mm, #1285, %92, $800/944 Erfurt 1917, #3399, %95, $1100/1298 DWM 1912 sold $1121. But consider auction house charges a fee on seller too, the final $$ falling into owner's pocket is probably about $800. So, market value range is $800-$1200. From this list, it's interesting to notice Interarms. I was interested in it, but I did not even have a chance, too many people love it and pumped it up quickly.

12-24-2014, 05:12 AM	#29
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Here is the link, the "Sold for" was the hammer price, 18% BP not counted yet. Adding 18% is the final price: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=89390

12-24-2014, 09:23 AM	#31
Nyghtfall User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 14 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Here's the scoop. I found the Luger on Gunlistists.org. It was here in Missouri. The gentleman had it listed for 2-3 months. He had it listed to trade. I had contacted him a few times. He set a value at $1200. Well I had a handgun that I had about $800 in. I offered to trade and he jumped on it. I had to drive about 50 miles to make the deal. My Dad had always wanted a Luger and never had one. So I grew up wanting one too. I wanted it to shoot, but thought I would check it out for value beforehand. Glad I did!!!! Guess it was a better deal than I initially thought!!!!

12-24-2014, 11:22 PM	#33
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Alvin, I looked at the 1912 on Morphys. It is missing a takedown spring, likely has repro or reblued grip screws (they're way too nice given the condition of the grips and gun), it has no pictures of the magazine so who knows what it has, and the straw is weak. On these auctions there is no way to determine the matching condition of all internal parts, so most people bid low to manage risk (I know I do). Market range for that gun on Morphys may be $1100-1200, but I would say the OP's gun & two mags is still worth more. I also think that other than hard core collectors like us, very few people are buying old guns the week before Christmas - most folks are out shopping for gifts for family and friends, and fewer bidders means lower prices. The Interarms is a shocker though - that was a nice Christmas present for the seller! - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

12-25-2014, 10:33 AM	#34
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Geo -- There is some risk on auction buying due to their return policy. For regular DWM or Erfurt, if putting in hands of dedicated collectors, and grant them 3-day inspection, the risk should be zero. But auctioneer usually considers sales being final. For a $1000, or $2000 purchase, how many people will go across a few states distance to PA preview session? Probably only local people. It's interesting to note "MR LUGER" (a collector of this type of gun) inspected those Lugers in auction. Although his description may not be 100% correct on all Lugers, the accuracy should be acceptable on a group of Lugers. After all, he's a Luger collector and numerous instances have passed through his hands over years. On specific instance,,,, say, this DWM 1912, spring and screw are not numbered parts, not inspector stamped parts either, so not big issue. The risk is not high at this price level.

12-26-2014, 03:35 PM	#35
Nyghtfall User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 14 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	FYI, I removed the grips, and they too are numbered to the gun. However, the cover plate is not numbered at all.

12-26-2014, 03:45 PM	#36
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The side plate should be numbered with the last 2 digits. Certain that they are not along the lower edge of the plate, visible only from the bottom? dju

12-26-2014, 03:58 PM	#37
Nyghtfall User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 14 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	You're right!!!!! There they are!!!!! Guess I expected them to be on the side. Thanks.

01-28-2015, 10:08 AM	#39
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Like the others said, it was a great start for a Luger collection. And you paid the half of its actual value. Congratulations and welcome to the club! Douglas.