picture test early luger - Page 2

Edward Tinker · 05-27-2019, 05:14 PM

1900's were not normally made in anything besides 7.65mm - the 1906 was both calibers, but not the 1900.

It looks like a 7.65mm and would bet a nickle on it being that caliber. as said above, see FAQ (but if a normal #2 pencil fits easily, its a 9mm, a bit tight, its a 30 luger)

also - I didn't think 1900 - commercial grips were numbered....

Lyn Islaub · 05-27-2019, 11:07 PM

Ed, some 1900 grips were numbered (at least 15191 is), but I have no idea when the practice started.
Lyn

Lugerdoc · 05-28-2019, 11:17 AM

The photo of the inside of your current "custom" side plate is cut like an original M1900 type (different from the PO8), the outside is definatly unique. TH

Karl · 05-28-2019, 11:58 AM

The machining of the inside suggests to me that it is an original side plate that has been ground flat on the outside with an added piece, perhaps hard soldered onto the original.

KFS

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 12:02 PM

No.2 pencil test tells me it a 7.65, guess I have 250 rounds of 9mm Luger ammo to sell.☺️
Thx for the FAQ tip fellows.

Larry.

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

The machining of the inside suggests to me that it is an original side plate that has been ground flat on the outside with an added piece, perhaps hard soldered onto the original.

KFS

that would be one explanation but begs the question...Why?

rolandtg · 05-28-2019, 12:07 PM

More and better images of the side plate are needed to help solve this mystery.

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 02:04 PM

here are my best close ups.

rolandtg · 05-28-2019, 02:29 PM

Those help. Here's some lightened versions.
Whoever made that side plate had skills and the proper tools.

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 03:04 PM

thank you for brightening up the images, will save this to my Luger album.

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 03:21 PM

Reading Karl’s post again and the thought occurred to me if in fact the face of the side plate contained a original number but was ground away is it possible the gunsmith restamped the number we see on the inside in order to assure to future owners it’s an original part!
Just fishing for answers here.

DonVoigt · 05-28-2019, 06:08 PM

Ragnar,
It is not an "original" part, may have started life as one- but is no longer.
There is just no "explaining" the why it is the way it looks- and it really doesn't matter -
Someone modified it, or created a new one.

Accept it for what it is and move on! JMHO

Ragnar · 05-28-2019, 06:44 PM

03man
Of course your right but just love solving a good mystery if I can lol.
Guess it should be enough knowing it’s a M1900.....if in fact it is.
Would love to know the year of manufacture if anyone cares to throw out a guess.

DonVoigt · 05-28-2019, 10:29 PM

It is definitely a 1900, more properly called "Old Model Parabellum"; I think someone already suggested 1901 as its mfg. time, but that may be on the other forum.

Ragnar · 05-29-2019, 01:57 AM

Wish to thank all here on the forum for their help,advice and expertise.

Larry.

ithacaartist · 05-30-2019, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar

No.2 pencil test tells me it a 7.65, guess I have 250 rounds of 9mm Luger ammo to sell.☺️

Larry.

Nah, that just means you have to get another in 9 mm!

Ragnar · 05-30-2019, 11:13 AM

Hmmm’!

05-28-2019, 11:17 AM	#23
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The photo of the inside of your current "custom" side plate is cut like an original M1900 type (different from the PO8), the outside is definatly unique. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-28-2019, 02:04 PM	#28
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	here are my best close ups. Attached Thumbnails

05-28-2019, 02:29 PM	#29
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 379 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Those help. Here's some lightened versions. Whoever made that side plate had skills and the proper tools. Attached Thumbnails

05-28-2019, 06:08 PM	#32
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Ragnar, It is not an "original" part, may have started life as one- but is no longer. There is just no "explaining" the why it is the way it looks- and it really doesn't matter - Someone modified it, or created a new one. Accept it for what it is and move on! JMHO __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-28-2019, 10:29 PM	#34
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	It is definitely a 1900, more properly called "Old Model Parabellum"; I think someone already suggested 1901 as its mfg. time, but that may be on the other forum. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-27-2019, 05:14 PM	#21
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	1900's were not normally made in anything besides 7.65mm - the 1906 was both calibers, but not the 1900. It looks like a 7.65mm and would bet a nickle on it being that caliber. as said above, see FAQ (but if a normal #2 pencil fits easily, its a 9mm, a bit tight, its a 30 luger) also - I didn't think 1900 - commercial grips were numbered....

05-27-2019, 11:07 PM	#22
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Ed, some 1900 grips were numbered (at least 15191 is), but I have no idea when the practice started. Lyn

05-28-2019, 11:58 AM	#24
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 271 Times in 118 Posts	The machining of the inside suggests to me that it is an original side plate that has been ground flat on the outside with an added piece, perhaps hard soldered onto the original. KFS

05-28-2019, 12:02 PM	#25
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	No.2 pencil test tells me it a 7.65, guess I have 250 rounds of 9mm Luger ammo to sell.☺️ Thx for the FAQ tip fellows. Larry.

05-28-2019, 12:07 PM	#27
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 379 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	More and better images of the side plate are needed to help solve this mystery.

05-28-2019, 03:04 PM	#30
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	thank you for brightening up the images, will save this to my Luger album.

05-28-2019, 03:21 PM	#31
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Reading Karl’s post again and the thought occurred to me if in fact the face of the side plate contained a original number but was ground away is it possible the gunsmith restamped the number we see on the inside in order to assure to future owners it’s an original part! Just fishing for answers here.

05-28-2019, 06:44 PM	#33
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	03man Of course your right but just love solving a good mystery if I can lol. Guess it should be enough knowing it’s a M1900.....if in fact it is. Would love to know the year of manufacture if anyone cares to throw out a guess.

05-29-2019, 01:57 AM	#35
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Wish to thank all here on the forum for their help,advice and expertise. Larry.

05-30-2019, 11:13 AM	#37
Ragnar User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Hmmm’!