Help with Erfurt 1918 - Page 2

hayhugh · 10-30-2015, 09:22 AM

"I'm really tired of hearing of using a hard surface to push back the barrelled receiver to release the TD lever. The perfered method is to pull back the toggle on an empty mag to hold open. Then the lever should move easily. In this case, a bad repro spring is causing the problem"

Works great when dis-assembling but when assembling don't you still have to push the receiver back to get takedown leaver in place?

Lugerdoc · 10-30-2015, 09:48 AM

Hugh, With the toggle held back on an empty mag, the TD lever should install with no problem, unless you have installed a new TD spring, and then it's best to remove the whole top assy to install the lever while pressing it down against the spring pressure while pushing it from left to right. TH

hayhugh · 10-30-2015, 12:21 PM

Tom, the only reason I would remove the take down leaver is to remove the receiver. Now when I replace the receiver and replace the side plate and takedown leaver I still must apply pressure to the receiver to replace the takedown leaver. When I replace magazine and try to exercise toggle to the hold open position the receiver moves forward and will not stay in hold open position. Applying backward pressure to receiver at this stage to replace take down leaver seems only alternative. Am I missing something here?

John Sabato · 10-30-2015, 02:25 PM

The takedown lever should be removed/replaced WITHOUT the receiver installed on the frame... you will find this a WHOLE lot easier...

To install or remove the receiver from the frame, all you need to do is open the takedown lever by either loading an empty magazine, pull back the toggle until it locks on the holdopen, or press the muzzle against a hard surface like a tabletop. Then the receiver will install/de-install easily.

hayhugh · 10-30-2015, 03:28 PM

That is the way I have always done it but Tom suggested that you can remove and install the takedown leaver without applying pressure to the upper...

DavidJayUden · 10-30-2015, 06:14 PM

Pressure is required to both remove and replace, however I suspect that placing the muzzle on a hard surface and pressing down is what made Tom cringe...
dju

DonVoigt · 10-30-2015, 08:15 PM

My my, just use a "protected" hard surface!

ithacaartist · 10-31-2015, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

Tom, the only reason I would remove the take down leaver is to remove the receiver. Now when I replace the receiver and replace the side plate and takedown leaver I still must apply pressure to the receiver to replace the takedown leaver. When I replace magazine and try to exercise toggle to the hold open position the receiver moves forward and will not stay in hold open position. Applying backward pressure to receiver at this stage to replace take down leaver seems only alternative. Am I missing something here?

Hugh, it works the same as taking it apart using the mag. With the upper in place, all ready to "push", simply insert the empty mag again and pull back on the toggle until the holdopen locks the upper back. No pushing on the cannon required, either way! It's a great "cringe eliminator"... The only reasons to remove the takedown lever itself are to detail clean its well, refresh its straw treatment, or replace its spring. Zorba will attest that it's safer and easier to work the takedown lever back in when you're dealing with just the grip frame!

I don't have an early manual, can someone who does tell us what one sez?

P08Leder · 10-31-2015, 07:43 AM

thanks for all the tips, got it worked out and the more I move it the easier it works.
thanks again!

rhuff · 10-31-2015, 04:08 PM

Because of the difference of opinions concerning the "correct" method of field stripping the P08 for cleaning, I went to the Mauser manual that comes with the Mauser Parabellum Lugers. On page 11, it states to push the muzzle against a hard surface to remove the tension of the recoil spring, and then turn the lever on the side plate for disassembly.....just saying what Mauser recommends.

CAP Black · 10-31-2015, 07:02 PM

Pushing on a hard surface seems easy enough. I have no problem with that but I use a pad even on my workbench to perform that function.
Jack

P08Leder · 11-01-2015, 09:56 AM

Pressing the barrel does nothing on my Erfurt
Have to lock back on an empty magazine, then I can rotate the take down lever.

On a brighter note, I ran 150 rounds through it flawlessly yesterday at the range!
What a fun shooting gun.

alanint · 11-01-2015, 12:13 PM

I have a friend who uses his palm to accomplish this. I'm just waiting to get the call.

mrerick · 11-01-2015, 12:27 PM

Erich, welcome to the forum. Glad your Luger is functioning well.

The little "L" shaped thing under the take down lever is not a pin. It is a spring. When properly made, there is a small cut taken out of the side of the spring which will allow the take down lever to seat properly, and to be moved without undue force.

If someone replaced the spring with an L shaped pin that is completely round in the middle, this is what is causing the binding, and it should be replaced with the proper spring.

If your gunsmith is not familiar with Lugers, he might have missed this even though he got the lever working again.

here's what the spring looks like:

P08Leder · 11-01-2015, 01:37 PM

yes, I characterized it as a pin, but it is a spring. (newbie)
Working fine now

The sight picture on the P08 is unique and takes some getting used to!

10-30-2015, 09:48 AM	#22
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Hugh, With the toggle held back on an empty mag, the TD lever should install with no problem, unless you have installed a new TD spring, and then it's best to remove the whole top assy to install the lever while pressing it down against the spring pressure while pushing it from left to right. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-30-2015, 02:25 PM	#24
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The takedown lever should be removed/replaced WITHOUT the receiver installed on the frame... you will find this a WHOLE lot easier... To install or remove the receiver from the frame, all you need to do is open the takedown lever by either loading an empty magazine, pull back the toggle until it locks on the holdopen, or press the muzzle against a hard surface like a tabletop. Then the receiver will install/de-install easily. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-01-2015, 12:27 PM	#34
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Erich, welcome to the forum. Glad your Luger is functioning well. The little "L" shaped thing under the take down lever is not a pin. It is a spring. When properly made, there is a small cut taken out of the side of the spring which will allow the take down lever to seat properly, and to be moved without undue force. If someone replaced the spring with an L shaped pin that is completely round in the middle, this is what is causing the binding, and it should be replaced with the proper spring. If your gunsmith is not familiar with Lugers, he might have missed this even though he got the lever working again. here's what the spring looks like: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-30-2015, 09:22 AM	#21
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 889 Thanks: 856 Thanked 511 Times in 274 Posts	"I'm really tired of hearing of using a hard surface to push back the barrelled receiver to release the TD lever. The perfered method is to pull back the toggle on an empty mag to hold open. Then the lever should move easily. In this case, a bad repro spring is causing the problem" Works great when dis-assembling but when assembling don't you still have to push the receiver back to get takedown leaver in place?

10-30-2015, 12:21 PM	#23
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 889 Thanks: 856 Thanked 511 Times in 274 Posts	Tom, the only reason I would remove the take down leaver is to remove the receiver. Now when I replace the receiver and replace the side plate and takedown leaver I still must apply pressure to the receiver to replace the takedown leaver. When I replace magazine and try to exercise toggle to the hold open position the receiver moves forward and will not stay in hold open position. Applying backward pressure to receiver at this stage to replace take down leaver seems only alternative. Am I missing something here?

10-30-2015, 03:28 PM	#25
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 889 Thanks: 856 Thanked 511 Times in 274 Posts	That is the way I have always done it but Tom suggested that you can remove and install the takedown leaver without applying pressure to the upper...

10-30-2015, 06:14 PM	#26
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Pressure is required to both remove and replace, however I suspect that placing the muzzle on a hard surface and pressing down is what made Tom cringe... dju

10-30-2015, 08:15 PM	#27
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	My my, just use a "protected" hard surface!

10-31-2015, 07:43 AM	#29
P08Leder User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 77 Thanks: 8 Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts	thanks for all the tips, got it worked out and the more I move it the easier it works. thanks again!

10-31-2015, 04:08 PM	#30
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,287 Thanks: 2,702 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	Because of the difference of opinions concerning the "correct" method of field stripping the P08 for cleaning, I went to the Mauser manual that comes with the Mauser Parabellum Lugers. On page 11, it states to push the muzzle against a hard surface to remove the tension of the recoil spring, and then turn the lever on the side plate for disassembly.....just saying what Mauser recommends.

10-31-2015, 07:02 PM	#31
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Pushing on a hard surface seems easy enough. I have no problem with that but I use a pad even on my workbench to perform that function. Jack

11-01-2015, 09:56 AM	#32
P08Leder User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 77 Thanks: 8 Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts	Pressing the barrel does nothing on my Erfurt Have to lock back on an empty magazine, then I can rotate the take down lever. On a brighter note, I ran 150 rounds through it flawlessly yesterday at the range! What a fun shooting gun.

11-01-2015, 12:13 PM	#33
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I have a friend who uses his palm to accomplish this. I'm just waiting to get the call.

11-01-2015, 01:37 PM	#35
P08Leder User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 77 Thanks: 8 Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts	yes, I characterized it as a pin, but it is a spring. (newbie) Working fine now The sight picture on the P08 is unique and takes some getting used to!