LugerForum Discussion Forums my profile | register | faq | search
upload photo | donate | calendar

Go Back   LugerForum Discussion Forums > Luger Discussion Forums > Unit Markings

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 07-17-2005, 07:35 PM   #1
JoeP.08
User
 
JoeP.08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CT
Posts: 159
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Question 1916 DWM Artillery "III.E.7."

Good Evening Members!

I have just recently acquired a 1916 DWM Artillery with the regimental marking on the bottom front grip strap, "III.E.7.". I believe this to be a Eisenbahn-Regiment unit mark. The fact that the "E" is a stand alone letter, not "E.M.G.", decreases the probability that it stands for "Ersatz" or "replacement". I have Jeff Noll's and Jan Still's reference books to base my "best guess". Any information or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Lugers are fascinating pieces of mechanical art and the uncertainty of Regimental markings add to their allure tenfold.

Thank you.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1916 dwm art[1]. regimental.jpg
Views:	159
Size:	57.7 KB
ID:	347  

JoeP.08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-18-2005, 07:56 PM   #2
Ron Smith
User
 
Ron Smith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Orygun
Posts: 4,243
Thanks: 118
Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts
Default

Hi Joe,
A bit slow on the draw. I have been researching possibilities.

If it is " III ", then it could be:

III = 3rd Batallion

E. = Ersatz infantry or possibly Eisenbahn [railroad]

7 = Kompanie 7 or Stab [staff] Weapon Nr 7


If it is marked 111. Which it appears to be due to the size of the numerals.

111th Ersatz Infantry Regiment . Company 7 or Stab weapon #7.

There is also a possibility that the E is an L mingled with an R. Or over stamped.

111th Landwehr Regiment . Company 7 or Stab weapon #7.

Which ever it is. It appears to be an incomplete marking, or incorrectly done. Which isn't uncommon, as armorers were often confused by the directives.
Usually "Stab" or staff pistols would have a space between the E or L.R. for later application of the company number. And then followed by the weapon number 7 (?).

Sorry this isn't more concise, but sometimes unit markings can be very confusing. Especially if not applied properly, as it seems in this case.

I vote for 111th Landwehr Regiment .

Ron

__________________
I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one.


What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...
Ron Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-19-2005, 11:08 PM   #3
JoeP.08
User
 
JoeP.08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CT
Posts: 159
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Hi Ron,
Thank you for replying to my post. You've shone a light on a couple of possibilities with this Regimental marking. I agree that the "III", because of it's size, is actually "111th".
I have to admit that I did not look at the unit mark with a loupe till your explanation that it could possibly be an "L" overstamped on an "R".
After looking at it magnified, I can't determine if it is an actual "E" or an "L" overstamped on something else. I'm going to be showing the piece to a couple of collectors and will post the result.
Thank you again for your information and insight.
Regards,
Joe
__________________
"It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)
JoeP.08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-14-2005, 07:43 PM   #4
JoeP.08
User
 
JoeP.08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CT
Posts: 159
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Sorry it took so long to post the latest results. I took the LP.08 to the NAPCA Convention in TN, in late Aug.. A couple of collectors looked at the regimental marking, gun in hand w/ loupe, and the common consensus was that they believe it was "111th Ersatz Infantry Regiment Company 7". That was Mr. Ron Smith's first possibility and all he had was a .jpeg photo.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Joe
__________________
"It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)
JoeP.08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-14-2005, 07:47 PM   #5
Navy
RIP
 
Navy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia
Posts: 2,482
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
Default

In Chattanooga, we damn good!

Tom A.
Navy is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-14-2005, 10:10 PM   #6
Ron Smith
User
 
Ron Smith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Orygun
Posts: 4,243
Thanks: 118
Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts
Default

Thanks Joe!
__________________
I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one.


What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...
Ron Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Lugerforum.com