Police safety sear? - Page 2

Ron Wood · 08-17-2005, 05:57 PM

Gee whiz guys, Simpson's have a 99% 1939 S/42 Police with holster and two matching mags for $4400, and his prices are not the cheapest around. Asking $4.5-$5K for just the gun in "very good to excellent" condition is just plain nuts. Don't let Luger lust con you into a bad deal.

ken d · 08-17-2005, 08:30 PM

wworker:

I agree the 4.5/5K seems out of line. Local gun show, National gun day, prices range from 1.7/2K.

Regards Ken D

wworker · 08-17-2005, 09:12 PM

Don't worry guys, I'm not going to buy for several reasons.

1. The price is out of my league
2. The price is too high for it to start with
3. The seller doesn't realize the price is too high
4. You guys advise against it and this means more to me than the first 3 reasons

Steve, didn't mean to hyjack your thread, but I think we were thinking about the same thing.

thegundude · 08-18-2005, 08:00 AM

See Ken, I told you these were great guys who know their guns...

And yeah, you're right. We were thinking about the same thing...

Thanks for the info guys. I don't see me paying mulitiple thousand dollars for a gun anytime soon, but it's good to know the difference between actual vlaues and BS values, should a similar gun at a much lower price comes along...

For example, I figured that was too high for a 1939 S/42. But now when I see another S/42 at a more realistic price it seems so much lower by comparison... It makes me think that the $1,800 S/42 is a steal...

I think my next one will have a grip safety, no matter what kind it is...

I don't know enough to be very specific in my collecting so I'll try for a few representative examples of various Looooogers.....

gewehrpatrone · 08-20-2005, 11:27 AM

I`m kind`a in the same boat as Ken/Steve, I`m a noob to Lugers and I`ve recently acquired what I assume to be a police gun but need help with the I.D. It`s a mauser commercial banner, 1939 date, s/n 4164w, crown/u on the front site, reciever and the extractor housing. It also has an eagleL on the right side of the reciever where you would normally find the military acceptance stamps. Here`s the kicker; it had the sear safety at one time but it has since been removed. Following this thread I closely examined what`s left of the rivet and sideplate, from the absence of bluing on the sideplate where the sear safety was and the fact that the rivet shank attracts a magnet I cannot help but to conclude this hasn`t been "humped up". Without pics I know it`s hard for someone to estimate worth, it came to me with a 1940 dated holster (KernKlager, Berlin) has normal holster wear and one mag (fxo eagle37) which of course does not match. My question is this;
Would it be worth attempting to replace the sear safety? If so who would I talk to? How much?
What`s the approximate worth as is? I`ve tried to compare different police Lugars for sale but they are either Weimar or reworks. I can`t seem to find a mauser banner/police gun to compare it with.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide,
Brian

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2005, 11:15 PM

Brian, there is a good chance it never had a sear safety installed. If I remember correctly (Bill will know), some of the banner's never had the sear installed.

A banner can be found on Simpson's LTD fairly often. A banner goes for more than many lugers.

Start your own thread and then add description and pictures when you have them

Ed

gewehrpatrone · 08-21-2005, 12:17 PM

Ed, thanks for your reply and I`ll certainly start a new thread per your suggestion. I disagree with you however about the sear safety, once I upload the pics I think you`ll see what I`m talking about.

Lugerdoc · 08-24-2005, 08:42 AM

Brian et al, I just had a few repros of the sear safety made for such pistols that are missing them. $50 each with repro rivet. Send MO or check to address on the left. Tom

08-17-2005, 05:57 PM	#21
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,010 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,149 Times in 1,694 Posts	Gee whiz guys, Simpson's have a 99% 1939 S/42 Police with holster and two matching mags for $4400, and his prices are not the cheapest around. Asking $4.5-$5K for just the gun in "very good to excellent" condition is just plain nuts. Don't let Luger lust con you into a bad deal. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-18-2005, 08:00 AM	#24
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	See Ken, I told you these were great guys who know their guns... And yeah, you're right. We were thinking about the same thing... Thanks for the info guys. I don't see me paying mulitiple thousand dollars for a gun anytime soon, but it's good to know the difference between actual vlaues and BS values, should a similar gun at a much lower price comes along... For example, I figured that was too high for a 1939 S/42. But now when I see another S/42 at a more realistic price it seems so much lower by comparison... It makes me think that the $1,800 S/42 is a steal... I think my next one will have a grip safety, no matter what kind it is... I don't know enough to be very specific in my collecting so I'll try for a few representative examples of various Looooogers..... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

08-20-2005, 11:27 AM	#25
gewehrpatrone User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Savannah, Ga. Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello there, need help with another police gun I`m kind`a in the same boat as Ken/Steve, I`m a noob to Lugers and I`ve recently acquired what I assume to be a police gun but need help with the I.D. It`s a mauser commercial banner, 1939 date, s/n 4164w, crown/u on the front site, reciever and the extractor housing. It also has an eagleL on the right side of the reciever where you would normally find the military acceptance stamps. Here`s the kicker; it had the sear safety at one time but it has since been removed. Following this thread I closely examined what`s left of the rivet and sideplate, from the absence of bluing on the sideplate where the sear safety was and the fact that the rivet shank attracts a magnet I cannot help but to conclude this hasn`t been "humped up". Without pics I know it`s hard for someone to estimate worth, it came to me with a 1940 dated holster (KernKlager, Berlin) has normal holster wear and one mag (fxo eagle37) which of course does not match. My question is this; Would it be worth attempting to replace the sear safety? If so who would I talk to? How much? What`s the approximate worth as is? I`ve tried to compare different police Lugars for sale but they are either Weimar or reworks. I can`t seem to find a mauser banner/police gun to compare it with. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide, Brian

08-20-2005, 11:15 PM	#26
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Brian, there is a good chance it never had a sear safety installed. If I remember correctly (Bill will know), some of the banner's never had the sear installed. A banner can be found on Simpson's LTD fairly often. A banner goes for more than many lugers. Start your own thread and then add description and pictures when you have them Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-24-2005, 08:42 AM	#28
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Brian et al, I just had a few repros of the sear safety made for such pistols that are missing them. $50 each with repro rivet. Send MO or check to address on the left. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-17-2005, 08:30 PM	#22
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	wworker: I agree the 4.5/5K seems out of line. Local gun show, National gun day, prices range from 1.7/2K. Regards Ken D

08-17-2005, 09:12 PM	#23
wworker User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't worry guys, I'm not going to buy for several reasons. 1. The price is out of my league 2. The price is too high for it to start with 3. The seller doesn't realize the price is too high 4. You guys advise against it and this means more to me than the first 3 reasons Steve, didn't mean to hyjack your thread, but I think we were thinking about the same thing.

08-21-2005, 12:17 PM	#27
gewehrpatrone User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Savannah, Ga. Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, thanks for your reply and I`ll certainly start a new thread per your suggestion. I disagree with you however about the sear safety, once I upload the pics I think you`ll see what I`m talking about.