1900 Swiss Cleaning kit

06-13-2005, 05:07 PM

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Pete Ebbink · 06-16-2005, 10:13 PM

Frank (who lives in Holland...) also has some nice Swiss (german text) books on lugers for sale :

http://community.webshots.com/album/50473298aGVtWo

Guisan · 06-17-2005, 06:15 AM

Thanks guys, you know once addicted to the Swiss stuff means that you can't stop as there is always more and better....

thanks,
Guisan.

panda · 06-27-2005, 05:59 AM

Hi Guisan,
I just looked at your fine cleaning pouch. Isn't it correct that this type of "pouches" was actually designed for spare amo and that it was only later commonly assembled for selling as a "cleaning kit" with the ordinance tools and grease?
Cheers, Panda

Guisan · 06-27-2005, 08:19 AM

Well maybe but I think not and this is why.

Fact is that these pouches all have a kind of pull strap to lift the contents up, this does not work with loose cartridges so in case of being a cartridge pouch there must have been boxes of ammo in them.
I've tried several types and sizes of revolver and pistol ammo boxes and none of them fits well into this pouch, always plenty of space left but never enough for a second box.

None of the military gun manuals mentions the use of this type of pouch but the Rutsch book says it to be for the cleaning kit.
Further back at the time of the Revolver 78 there was a similar type of pouch that Rutsch says to be for the cleaning kit while HÃ?Â¤usler says it being an ammo pouch.

The 1882 revolver holsters had a facility to store spare cartridges and for the pistols there was that second magazine so there was no real need for an ammo pouch.
Post war Swiss pistols got a similar tool kit and grease can and those are carried in either a cloth or plastic pouch.

This all gives me the idea that the pouch was intended for the cleaning kit and not for spare ammo.
An officer should not carry a messy grease can in one of its uniform pockets no?

Thanks,
Guisan.

panda · 06-27-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by Guisan
An officer should not carry a messy grease can in one of its uniform pockets no?

Officer guns are never cleaned by officers (in the Swiss army).
They don't clean their shoes themselves either.

I'll try to find more info about the rest.

06-13-2005, 05:07 PM	#1
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06-17-2005, 06:15 AM	#3
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks guys, you know once addicted to the Swiss stuff means that you can't stop as there is always more and better.... thanks, Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

06-27-2005, 08:19 AM	#5
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Well maybe but I think not and this is why. Fact is that these pouches all have a kind of pull strap to lift the contents up, this does not work with loose cartridges so in case of being a cartridge pouch there must have been boxes of ammo in them. I've tried several types and sizes of revolver and pistol ammo boxes and none of them fits well into this pouch, always plenty of space left but never enough for a second box. None of the military gun manuals mentions the use of this type of pouch but the Rutsch book says it to be for the cleaning kit. Further back at the time of the Revolver 78 there was a similar type of pouch that Rutsch says to be for the cleaning kit while HÃ?Â¤usler says it being an ammo pouch. The 1882 revolver holsters had a facility to store spare cartridges and for the pistols there was that second magazine so there was no real need for an ammo pouch. Post war Swiss pistols got a similar tool kit and grease can and those are carried in either a cloth or plastic pouch. This all gives me the idea that the pouch was intended for the cleaning kit and not for spare ammo. An officer should not carry a messy grease can in one of its uniform pockets no? Thanks, Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

06-16-2005, 10:13 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Frank (who lives in Holland...) also has some nice Swiss (german text) books on lugers for sale : http://community.webshots.com/album/50473298aGVtWo

06-27-2005, 05:59 AM	#4
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Guisan, I just looked at your fine cleaning pouch. Isn't it correct that this type of "pouches" was actually designed for spare amo and that it was only later commonly assembled for selling as a "cleaning kit" with the ordinance tools and grease? Cheers, Panda