Luger quiz #2 for new collectors

Doug G. · 03-21-2005, 09:02 PM

Ok, look closely at this fine rig and tell me your thoughts?

There are MANY things that should just jump out at you.
Have fun!

drbuster · 03-21-2005, 10:22 PM

"Professionally restored" by an amateur! Buffed to within a minute of its last breath! Forced matched with ridiculously large and non-level numbers and fonts! The ghosts of DWM would cringe and forever haunt the unwary buyer of this monstrosity!!

Edward Tinker · 03-21-2005, 10:29 PM

I think that he should clean his darn garage!!!

He has the oddest stair step numbering I have ever seen, that is for sure...

ed

Navy · 03-21-2005, 10:31 PM

About the only thing that appears to be right is the washers under the stock holster strap atytaching screws. What a P.O.S.

Tom A

Doug G. · 03-21-2005, 10:37 PM

Really the only things that I saw that were right was the magazine and it is a Luger!

pipeman45 · 03-22-2005, 02:21 AM

Ok at the risk of showing how ignorant I really am. Please list all the bad and let me check my score card.

Doug G. · 03-22-2005, 09:25 AM

There's allot wrong, I'll try not to leave anything out.
1)Very un-professionally done reblue. Cannot call that a restoration without insulting Ted.

2) It looks as though the gun was forced matched to the toggle.

3) Rear sight is blued and should be in the white.

4) Stock iron is numbered in the wrong number size and wrong location.

5) Grips are rough checkered. Either Russian or other poor quality repro's.

6)Holster and stock are good quality repro's.

I probably missed something?

George Anderson · 03-22-2005, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doug G.

6)Holster and stock are good quality repro's.

I probably missed something?

The holster is one of the Paki jobs made with goat skin, it's a P.O.S.

The stock is of the "Persian" variety, one can just barely make out the Farsi markings stamped into the wood near the locking lever.

The magazine seems to be okay though.

Tim · 03-22-2005, 11:25 AM

Pictures #4, 13 and 15 are the most striking to my eye. The font is wrong, the size of the numbers is wrong and the alignment is off. Photography leaves a lot to the imagination as well. If one were to hold this item in hand and truly examine it, there would surely be other glaring faults.
My $.02
Tim

Ron Wood · 03-22-2005, 01:58 PM

If it has been "professionally restored", I wonder what the restorer's "profession" is?

Vlim · 03-22-2005, 02:12 PM

Ron,

As it looks like everybody who worked on it was pretty drunk I'd say "Bar Owner"

DougT · 03-22-2005, 02:44 PM

OMG--what a piece of junk. Shame on who ever did this "restoration," they should be beaten!
DougT

RockinWR · 03-22-2005, 08:21 PM

* I suppose the broken takedown latch retainer spring is a minor item in this example's deluge of shame. See pic #14.
Respectfully,
Bob

pipeman45 · 03-23-2005, 01:29 AM

Well,its back to the books for me. I only caught about half of the mistakes!

Heinz · 03-23-2005, 07:47 PM

One of the warning signs for new collectors should be the photographers ability to only focus on the views he wants you to see and all of the other shots are out of focus. Selectively poor lighting is another warning. WHen you are a vendor shooting pictures of a $2000+ item you get the focus and the lighting right. The photographs on Phoenix Arms are classics in the art of not showing undesirable details.

I beieve this was restored by the professional decorator who did the garage.

03-22-2005, 02:21 AM	#6
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ok at the risk of showing how ignorant I really am. Please list all the bad and let me check my score card. __________________ Dave

03-22-2005, 11:25 AM	#9
Tim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great North Woods of Wisconsin Posts: 100 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Pictures #4, 13 and 15 are the most striking to my eye. The font is wrong, the size of the numbers is wrong and the alignment is off. Photography leaves a lot to the imagination as well. If one were to hold this item in hand and truly examine it, there would surely be other glaring faults. My $.02 Tim __________________ The intent of the second amendment was not to allow the private ownership of firearms. If it had been it would have said something like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...

03-22-2005, 01:58 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	If it has been "professionally restored", I wonder what the restorer's "profession" is? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-21-2005, 09:02 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Luger quiz #2 for new collectors Ok, look closely at this fine rig and tell me your thoughts? There are MANY things that should just jump out at you. Have fun! LUGER QUIZ

03-21-2005, 10:22 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	"Professionally restored" by an amateur! Buffed to within a minute of its last breath! Forced matched with ridiculously large and non-level numbers and fonts! The ghosts of DWM would cringe and forever haunt the unwary buyer of this monstrosity!!

03-21-2005, 10:29 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	I think that he should clean his darn garage!!! He has the oddest stair step numbering I have ever seen, that is for sure... ed

03-21-2005, 10:31 PM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	About the only thing that appears to be right is the washers under the stock holster strap atytaching screws. What a P.O.S. Tom A

03-21-2005, 10:37 PM	#5
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Really the only things that I saw that were right was the magazine and it is a Luger!

03-22-2005, 09:25 AM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	There's allot wrong, I'll try not to leave anything out. 1)Very un-professionally done reblue. Cannot call that a restoration without insulting Ted. 2) It looks as though the gun was forced matched to the toggle. 3) Rear sight is blued and should be in the white. 4) Stock iron is numbered in the wrong number size and wrong location. 5) Grips are rough checkered. Either Russian or other poor quality repro's. 6)Holster and stock are good quality repro's. I probably missed something?

03-22-2005, 02:12 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron, As it looks like everybody who worked on it was pretty drunk I'd say "Bar Owner"

03-22-2005, 02:44 PM	#12
DougT User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OMG--what a piece of junk. Shame on who ever did this "restoration," they should be beaten! DougT

03-22-2005, 08:21 PM	#13
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	* I suppose the broken takedown latch retainer spring is a minor item in this example's deluge of shame. See pic #14. Respectfully, Bob

03-23-2005, 01:29 AM	#14
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well,its back to the books for me. I only caught about half of the mistakes! __________________ Dave

03-23-2005, 07:47 PM	#15
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	One of the warning signs for new collectors should be the photographers ability to only focus on the views he wants you to see and all of the other shots are out of focus. Selectively poor lighting is another warning. WHen you are a vendor shooting pictures of a $2000+ item you get the focus and the lighting right. The photographs on Phoenix Arms are classics in the art of not showing undesirable details. I beieve this was restored by the professional decorator who did the garage.