Need a broom handle expert

Navy · 03-21-2005, 09:19 AM

All,

I n eed to correspond with someone who is an expert on brooms....Someone who flat knows history, SN ranges and contract stuff. Pls contact me off list at catofong@aol.com

After a decade long hiatus, I have begun playing with them again and have a couple of unresolved issues.

BTW, before I became a Lugerphile, I had about 35 brooms at one point.

Thanks,
Tom A.

Herb · 03-21-2005, 01:11 PM

Tom, I'm no expert on the C96 but I do have an excellent reference on them, "System Mauser, A pictorial History of the Model 1896 Self-Loading Pistol", by John W, Breathed, Jr. and Joseph J. Schroeder, Jr, dated 1967. If you want to drop me a PM with some specific questions I'll gladly try to dig the info out of the book. Serial number ranges of manufacturing are not noted but they do show the serial numbers of the specific models noted in their examination.

Navy · 03-21-2005, 01:14 PM

Herb,

I am trying to establish whether an early conehammer, SN 6080, that was sold by Pape, Newcastle should have BNP proofing.

TIA,

Tom

Edward Tinker · 03-21-2005, 02:23 PM

Kyrie Elis, I am pretty sure is a broom expert.

here is his website:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/C96_Forum/ ("That Broomhandle Forum")

you can also do a search on his name, and then send him a PM and / or an e-mail.

ed

Herb · 03-21-2005, 04:44 PM

Tom, here is what the book says--
Standard Cone Hammer Model--Cal: 7.63mm Mauser-Barrel Length: 5.5in
Rear sight: Early adjustable-Grips: Walnut, 23 groove-Safety:early-Firing Pin:early-Trigger:early-Extractor:early-Serial#location: Top of rear grip strap-Proof: German definitive pistol proof, Oberndorf Proof House*
Other markings: Standard chamber marking.
* Comments: Pistols of this type are often found with English dealer's names engraved on frames or barrels, and/or with British proof marks......
One of the pistol serial numbers examined is 6051
It further states that there were four different types of rear sight markings found on this model; two of these were designed specifically for the English trade, but he doesn't elaborate on what those marking are.
Not really enough info here to positively tell you what you want but the serial number range is pretty close.

Navy · 03-21-2005, 07:13 PM

Thanks Herb; does SN 6051 have the BNP proof or is Joe Schroeder silent on the issue?

Thanks!

Tom A

Steve Richards · 03-21-2005, 08:16 PM

Tom,

You can thank the US officer who was in charge of the troops who captured the Oberndorf plant for part of your problems. He decided to have his men burn as many papers as they could find. That is why so little of the information such as you want is available.

Steve

Herb · 03-21-2005, 09:28 PM

Tom, he doesn't state whether it does or not, he gives a lot of serial #'s of the examples he examined but no info as to which ones have the British Nitro Proof stampings, just that it is common to find them, sorry. Additional info, that particular weapon serial number had the rear sight graduated in the 50-500 manner if that is any help.

Navy · 03-21-2005, 10:27 PM

Thanks all,

Have found the info I needed. Walter, in his Luger Book, states the BP definitive proof came into use C 1904-05; the conehammer I am looking at is pre 1899.

Thanks for the help.

Tom A.

P. J. Heck · 03-22-2005, 08:09 AM

At the risk of being a hijacker here.......... I have found a Schnellfuer stock and harness (no mag pouches). Any ideas as to current value??????

John Sabato · 03-22-2005, 09:29 AM

P.J. Please don't hijack threads... start your own... instead of mixing your answers with another question... thanks.

03-21-2005, 09:19 AM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Need a broom handle expert All, I n eed to correspond with someone who is an expert on brooms....Someone who flat knows history, SN ranges and contract stuff. Pls contact me off list at catofong@aol.com After a decade long hiatus, I have begun playing with them again and have a couple of unresolved issues. BTW, before I became a Lugerphile, I had about 35 brooms at one point. Thanks, Tom A.

03-21-2005, 01:11 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tom, I'm no expert on the C96 but I do have an excellent reference on them, "System Mauser, A pictorial History of the Model 1896 Self-Loading Pistol", by John W, Breathed, Jr. and Joseph J. Schroeder, Jr, dated 1967. If you want to drop me a PM with some specific questions I'll gladly try to dig the info out of the book. Serial number ranges of manufacturing are not noted but they do show the serial numbers of the specific models noted in their examination. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

03-21-2005, 04:44 PM	#5
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tom, here is what the book says-- Standard Cone Hammer Model--Cal: 7.63mm Mauser-Barrel Length: 5.5in Rear sight: Early adjustable-Grips: Walnut, 23 groove-Safety:early-Firing Pin:early-Trigger:early-Extractor:early-Serial#location: Top of rear grip strap-Proof: German definitive pistol proof, Oberndorf Proof House* Other markings: Standard chamber marking. * Comments: Pistols of this type are often found with English dealer's names engraved on frames or barrels, and/or with British proof marks...... One of the pistol serial numbers examined is 6051 It further states that there were four different types of rear sight markings found on this model; two of these were designed specifically for the English trade, but he doesn't elaborate on what those marking are. Not really enough info here to positively tell you what you want but the serial number range is pretty close. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

03-21-2005, 09:28 PM	#8
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tom, he doesn't state whether it does or not, he gives a lot of serial #'s of the examples he examined but no info as to which ones have the British Nitro Proof stampings, just that it is common to find them, sorry. Additional info, that particular weapon serial number had the rear sight graduated in the 50-500 manner if that is any help. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

03-22-2005, 08:09 AM	#10
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	At the risk of being a hijacker here.......... I have found a Schnellfuer stock and harness (no mag pouches). Any ideas as to current value?????? __________________ There are no bad guns!

03-21-2005, 01:14 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Herb, I am trying to establish whether an early conehammer, SN 6080, that was sold by Pape, Newcastle should have BNP proofing. TIA, Tom

03-21-2005, 02:23 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Kyrie Elis, I am pretty sure is a broom expert. here is his website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/C96_Forum/ ("That Broomhandle Forum") you can also do a search on his name, and then send him a PM and / or an e-mail. ed

03-21-2005, 07:13 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Thanks Herb; does SN 6051 have the BNP proof or is Joe Schroeder silent on the issue? Thanks! Tom A

03-21-2005, 08:16 PM	#7
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom, You can thank the US officer who was in charge of the troops who captured the Oberndorf plant for part of your problems. He decided to have his men burn as many papers as they could find. That is why so little of the information such as you want is available. Steve

03-21-2005, 10:27 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Thanks all, Have found the info I needed. Walter, in his Luger Book, states the BP definitive proof came into use C 1904-05; the conehammer I am looking at is pre 1899. Thanks for the help. Tom A.

03-22-2005, 09:29 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	P.J. Please don't hijack threads... start your own... instead of mixing your answers with another question... thanks. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*