Luger stocks?

thegundude · 02-03-2005, 03:34 PM

Hey all,

Still waiting for my first Luger, but now I've got the bug bad...

I'm wondering where Luger stocks are available. I've searched eBay a little, but there's not much and what little there is seems a tad high....

Where can a guy find a stock for a common (1939 42 code) Luger? I don't want to pay as much for the stock as I'm paying for the gun. I would consider reproductions....

Are there a number of companies that sell Luger accessories that I'm not finding?

Thanks,

John Sabato · 02-03-2005, 03:44 PM

If this is for a shooter... I would highly recommend the East German plastic stocks that have a bullseye on each side. Tom Heller usually has these at a reasonable price. They are very durable and comfortable in the hand.

There are some nice wood reproduction grips that are frequently offered on ebay by an outfit in Alaska... they usually sell in the $20-30 range... the seller's name is "reddogxxalaskan"

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2005, 03:53 PM

Steve, most of the gun shows I have been to have guys that sell grips. I have bought repro, and also "speciality" grips, have bought them with colorful wood and also seen them with antler.

Ed

George Anderson · 02-03-2005, 04:45 PM

Mr Dude, I wonder, are you looking for a Luger shoulder stock? I've read your posting and am surprised by the response of both John and Ed. If I am correct and you are wanting a shoulder stock, you may want to be careful, joining a P08(4 inch) to an artillery stock is a violation of US code.

Others are much better versed in the aspects of this law than am I.

John Sabato · 02-03-2005, 04:59 PM

thanks George for opening my eyes... when I saw the work "stocks" I was thinking that since it was plural, he must mean grips, but now I see that you are probably correct and he meant shoulder stocks...

and DUDE... George is right... it will cost you a $200 tax and federal registration to use a stock on the Luger you mentioned... use of a stock on anything that does not appear on the ATF C&R expemption list for the National Firearms Act of 1934 (short barreled rifles and machine guns)... without proper NFA registration and tax is a guaranteed trip to the Pokey...

thegundude · 02-03-2005, 07:49 PM

Aww shucks........ Well that bites.

Why then, do they have stock lugs on them if they were not intended to wear stocks? Isn't it the same as bayonet lugs, et al?

George Anderson · 02-03-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by thegundude
Aww shucks........ Well that bites.

Why then, do they have stock lugs on them if they were not intended to wear stocks? Isn't it the same as bayonet lugs, et al?

Mr Dude, it wasn't the BATF that allowed the Third Reich to have stock lugs, it was the BATF that decided that stocks were inappropriate with P08s.

It's all quite screwey and one can innocently step into a big pile of sh!t if not careful. So watch out.

They are a hoot to shoot with the stock.

Pete Ebbink · 02-03-2005, 11:19 PM

Hi Steve,

Back to your question about stock lugs on P-08's...one of the going theories is that DWM/Mauser/Krieghoff continued to forge and mill the stock lug so they would have a easy and firm way to hold the frame/gun for final finishing and polishing steps in the manufacturing process.

On first blush...this seems logical and reasonable...but that is a lot of extra milling/machinging to finish the stock lug just to gain a way to hold the frame in a jig for other work...I am not convinced this is the answer...but this is just a WAG on my part...

But the Swiss folks at Bern decided not to build their Swiss lugers with a stock lug and figured out another way to hold a frame firmly during finishing and polishing steps...not sure why the Germans did not come to the same conclusion...

Regards,

Pete...

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2005, 11:29 PM

Thanks George, sorry dude, sometimes it is easy to forget that something like a stock on a luger is essentially verboten (on a 4 inch).

Ed

thegundude · 02-04-2005, 10:45 AM

Thanks a million guys. I would have bought an unusable stock if not for your excellent advice.... Muchos Grasias.....

So, if the bbl is original and longer than four inches, it can wear a stock? Is that what an "artillary" Luger is?

And, if I pay the tax stamp (wouldn't be the first one) I can add a stock to my four incher?

Edward Tinker · 02-04-2005, 11:13 AM

there are specific guns that may have a luger stock.

Original (not made up) Navies and Artillerys (not made up) may have a stock.

I also believe you can pay, register a tax stamp and do so.

Ed

Powdercrank · 02-04-2005, 12:47 PM

Does the stock on an artillery have to be original?
As in is a reproduction stock legal to use?

thegundude · 02-04-2005, 12:49 PM

I guess that's fair enough. So if I plunk down the 4 or 5 grand for the right Luger or pay a $200 tax stamp, I can have the stock....

Hmmm.... I've got two hundred bucks and some time..... :-P

John Sabato · 02-04-2005, 02:00 PM

A reproduction stock meets the ATF criteria for C&R exempted guns... but the rules are strict. You can't use a Navy Stock with an Artillery Luger and vice-versa... (the Navy stock is shorter BTW)...

If you are going to pay the $200 tax for creating a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) out of a Luger with a barrel less than 16" and any shoulderstock that you want... you can do this... but you must have ATF approval in advance... to accumulate the necessary parts without approval amounts to "constructive intent" and will get you in hot water...

My advice if you follow this path is to contact the ATF FIRST!

Find the gun you want to use... send in your registration and tax fee and when you get the approved paperwork back, THEN acquire the stock.

If you come across a stock you can't live without before you are ready to file the paperwork and tax fee, keep yourself out of trouble by not having them in the same place... have it shipped to a brother or cousin or some other family member and don't bring the Luger into the same zipcode until the paperwork is FINAL.

Being anxious to try it out is no reason to get yourself in dutch with the Feds... It isn't work a federal felony conviction for violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934... Do it RIGHT and you won't be sorry.

thegundude · 02-04-2005, 03:00 PM

Good advice John. Thanks...

I'll wait until my last M-11 transfer is complete until I start this project.

Heck, I still don't even have the gun yet. Alf has been in Asia for the past two weeks.... :-(

02-03-2005, 03:34 PM	#1
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Luger stocks? Hey all, Still waiting for my first Luger, but now I've got the bug bad... I'm wondering where Luger stocks are available. I've searched eBay a little, but there's not much and what little there is seems a tad high.... Where can a guy find a stock for a common (1939 42 code) Luger? I don't want to pay as much for the stock as I'm paying for the gun. I would consider reproductions.... Are there a number of companies that sell Luger accessories that I'm not finding? Thanks, __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

02-03-2005, 03:44 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	If this is for a shooter... I would highly recommend the East German plastic stocks that have a bullseye on each side. Tom Heller usually has these at a reasonable price. They are very durable and comfortable in the hand. There are some nice wood reproduction grips that are frequently offered on ebay by an outfit in Alaska... they usually sell in the $20-30 range... the seller's name is "reddogxxalaskan" __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-03-2005, 03:53 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	Steve, most of the gun shows I have been to have guys that sell grips. I have bought repro, and also "speciality" grips, have bought them with colorful wood and also seen them with antler. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-03-2005, 04:59 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	thanks George for opening my eyes... when I saw the work "stocks" I was thinking that since it was plural, he must mean grips, but now I see that you are probably correct and he meant shoulder stocks... and DUDE... George is right... it will cost you a $200 tax and federal registration to use a stock on the Luger you mentioned... use of a stock on anything that does not appear on the ATF C&R expemption list for the National Firearms Act of 1934 (short barreled rifles and machine guns)... without proper NFA registration and tax is a guaranteed trip to the Pokey... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-03-2005, 07:49 PM	#6
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Aww shucks........ Well that bites. Why then, do they have stock lugs on them if they were not intended to wear stocks? Isn't it the same as bayonet lugs, et al? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

02-03-2005, 04:45 PM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Mr Dude, I wonder, are you looking for a Luger shoulder stock? I've read your posting and am surprised by the response of both John and Ed. If I am correct and you are wanting a shoulder stock, you may want to be careful, joining a P08(4 inch) to an artillery stock is a violation of US code. Others are much better versed in the aspects of this law than am I.

02-03-2005, 11:19 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Steve, Back to your question about stock lugs on P-08's...one of the going theories is that DWM/Mauser/Krieghoff continued to forge and mill the stock lug so they would have a easy and firm way to hold the frame/gun for final finishing and polishing steps in the manufacturing process. On first blush...this seems logical and reasonable...but that is a lot of extra milling/machinging to finish the stock lug just to gain a way to hold the frame in a jig for other work...I am not convinced this is the answer...but this is just a WAG on my part... But the Swiss folks at Bern decided not to build their Swiss lugers with a stock lug and figured out another way to hold a frame firmly during finishing and polishing steps...not sure why the Germans did not come to the same conclusion... Regards, Pete... Last edited by Pete Ebbink; 02-03-2005 at 11:48 PM.

02-03-2005, 11:29 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	Thanks George, sorry dude, sometimes it is easy to forget that something like a stock on a luger is essentially verboten (on a 4 inch). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-04-2005, 10:45 AM	#10
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks a million guys. I would have bought an unusable stock if not for your excellent advice.... Muchos Grasias..... So, if the bbl is original and longer than four inches, it can wear a stock? Is that what an "artillary" Luger is? And, if I pay the tax stamp (wouldn't be the first one) I can add a stock to my four incher? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

02-04-2005, 11:13 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	there are specific guns that may have a luger stock. Original (not made up) Navies and Artillerys (not made up) may have a stock. I also believe you can pay, register a tax stamp and do so. Ed

02-04-2005, 12:47 PM	#12
Powdercrank User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Central Indiana Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does the stock on an artillery have to be original? As in is a reproduction stock legal to use?

02-04-2005, 12:49 PM	#13
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	I guess that's fair enough. So if I plunk down the 4 or 5 grand for the right Luger or pay a $200 tax stamp, I can have the stock.... Hmmm.... I've got two hundred bucks and some time..... :-P __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

02-04-2005, 02:00 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	A reproduction stock meets the ATF criteria for C&R exempted guns... but the rules are strict. You can't use a Navy Stock with an Artillery Luger and vice-versa... (the Navy stock is shorter BTW)... If you are going to pay the $200 tax for creating a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) out of a Luger with a barrel less than 16" and any shoulderstock that you want... you can do this... but you must have ATF approval in advance... to accumulate the necessary parts without approval amounts to "constructive intent" and will get you in hot water... My advice if you follow this path is to contact the ATF FIRST! Find the gun you want to use... send in your registration and tax fee and when you get the approved paperwork back, THEN acquire the stock. If you come across a stock you can't live without before you are ready to file the paperwork and tax fee, keep yourself out of trouble by not having them in the same place... have it shipped to a brother or cousin or some other family member and don't bring the Luger into the same zipcode until the paperwork is FINAL. Being anxious to try it out is no reason to get yourself in dutch with the Feds... It isn't work a federal felony conviction for violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934... Do it RIGHT and you won't be sorry. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-04-2005, 03:00 PM	#15
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Good advice John. Thanks... I'll wait until my last M-11 transfer is complete until I start this project. Heck, I still don't even have the gun yet. Alf has been in Asia for the past two weeks.... :-( __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve