RARE Swiss variation on AA

Ron Smith · 01-20-2005, 11:48 AM

Hey Pete, Don't pass this one up. I think, if my research is correct, this was presented to the Crown Prince of Upsydaisya. And only $1250.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6396414

Good luck on your bid! Ron

Ron Wood · 01-20-2005, 12:04 PM

I would love to know who did these Lugers, because this is not the lone example with this type of toggle marking. I have its sibling, but mine has also been converted to a grip safety model. The conversion was strictly functional however, with no cosmetic consideration since there was no attempt to relocate the "GESICHERT" marking to the lower position. So when the GESICHERT is visible, it is actually ready to fire! The work was well done, probably by a gunsmith (maybe Swiss?) and not a Bubba's basement job.

I think Thor posted a picture some time ago of another Luger with the toggle marked with a "Swiss" cross of the same type and location.

By the way, I think that was the Crown Prince of LOWER Upsydaisya. Mine with the added grip safety would have come from Upper Upsydaisa

Ron Smith · 01-20-2005, 12:20 PM

Hi Ron,
So this actually a, more or less, hand done variation? I just assumed " bubba" had made a concerted effort to boost a junk Luger.
Ya learn something new everyday.

Thanks, Ron

Ron Wood · 01-20-2005, 01:51 PM

Ron,
I was not aware that Bubba worked in a barrel. The only places of business that I knew of were his basement and the back of a pickup truck. Unfortunately, the truck is subject to frequent breakdowns, but Bubba applies the same level of skill and safety to its repair as he does to the modification of collectable Lugers.

Pete Ebbink · 01-20-2005, 10:37 PM

Geeze, Ron...what would I do without such good luger friends always keeping a Swiss eye out for me...

I am beginning to think the Swiss cross on old German lugers are nothing more than the Swiss version of British proof marks...nothing more...certainly not worth the $ 9500 for the recent Swiss "Navy" sale on one of the web sites :

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/swissnavy.htm

I think H. Jones made this conclusion in his book in the 1960's, as well...cautioning such "Swiss" varieties should command no more money than a piece without the added Swiss cross...

I am planning a trip to CH early this summer as my work load eases...maybe I will be lucky to find a legit Swiss Navy or Arty...

Regards,

Pete...

Ron Smith · 01-20-2005, 11:00 PM

Ron,
Now that boys Mama and Daddy had to have been related. What a Maroon!! That's dumb, getting dumber.

Pete,
The discription of that pistol says it's a 6" barrel? Sure looks like it's 8" to me. However, it is a beautiful pistol.
If you were to find one or the other or both. How would you get them back? Or would you have to kill me if you told me?

Ron

Pete Ebbink · 01-20-2005, 11:06 PM

Hi Ron S.,

That Swiss Navy looks like it just came out of the bluing tank...IMO...

If I find a nice luger or two in CH, I would have a CH dealer handle the exportation out of CH for me and then have Bob/Brad Simpson handle the importation into the USA for me...

The luger price savings in CH would probably be eaten up with these exportation/importation costs...bring up the price equal to prices we end up paying here in the USA...but at least I can fill my suit cases full of luger holsters and other luger accessories...

p.s. Maybe pick-up truck boy was an only child and the gene pool ended then and there...

Regards,

Pete...

Ron Smith · 01-21-2005, 08:53 AM

Pete,
I agree about the appearance of finish. I meant that the lines of the variation, are beautiful. No doubt that this particular pistol, considering the source, is a redo. "Fool that I am!"

Ron

Edward Tinker · 01-21-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Wood
I was not aware that Bubba worked in a barrel.

Ron, I am confused, why is there a picture of me fixin' my truk?

Ron Wood · 01-21-2005, 03:11 PM

I was hoping you would respond so that you could give me instructions on how to arc weld a gas tank.

Russ · 01-21-2005, 04:36 PM

Ron
The tank has to be completely full!!

Russ

tudorbug · 01-21-2005, 04:53 PM

of water!!

David

01-20-2005, 11:48 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	RARE Swiss variation on AA Hey Pete, Don't pass this one up. I think, if my research is correct, this was presented to the Crown Prince of Upsydaisya. And only $1250. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6396414 Good luck on your bid! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-20-2005, 12:04 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	I would love to know who did these Lugers, because this is not the lone example with this type of toggle marking. I have its sibling, but mine has also been converted to a grip safety model. The conversion was strictly functional however, with no cosmetic consideration since there was no attempt to relocate the "GESICHERT" marking to the lower position. So when the GESICHERT is visible, it is actually ready to fire! The work was well done, probably by a gunsmith (maybe Swiss?) and not a Bubba's basement job. I think Thor posted a picture some time ago of another Luger with the toggle marked with a "Swiss" cross of the same type and location. By the way, I think that was the Crown Prince of LOWER Upsydaisya. Mine with the added grip safety would have come from Upper Upsydaisa __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-20-2005, 12:20 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Ron, So this actually a, more or less, hand done variation? I just assumed " bubba" had made a concerted effort to boost a junk Luger. Ya learn something new everyday. Thanks, Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-20-2005, 01:51 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Ron, I was not aware that Bubba worked in a barrel. The only places of business that I knew of were his basement and the back of a pickup truck. Unfortunately, the truck is subject to frequent breakdowns, but Bubba applies the same level of skill and safety to its repair as he does to the modification of collectable Lugers. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-20-2005, 11:00 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ron, Now that boys Mama and Daddy had to have been related. What a Maroon!! That's dumb, getting dumber. Pete, The discription of that pistol says it's a 6" barrel? Sure looks like it's 8" to me. However, it is a beautiful pistol. If you were to find one or the other or both. How would you get them back? Or would you have to kill me if you told me? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-20-2005, 10:37 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Geeze, Ron...what would I do without such good luger friends always keeping a Swiss eye out for me... I am beginning to think the Swiss cross on old German lugers are nothing more than the Swiss version of British proof marks...nothing more...certainly not worth the $ 9500 for the recent Swiss "Navy" sale on one of the web sites : http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/swissnavy.htm I think H. Jones made this conclusion in his book in the 1960's, as well...cautioning such "Swiss" varieties should command no more money than a piece without the added Swiss cross... I am planning a trip to CH early this summer as my work load eases...maybe I will be lucky to find a legit Swiss Navy or Arty... Regards, Pete...

01-20-2005, 11:06 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Ron S., That Swiss Navy looks like it just came out of the bluing tank...IMO... If I find a nice luger or two in CH, I would have a CH dealer handle the exportation out of CH for me and then have Bob/Brad Simpson handle the importation into the USA for me... The luger price savings in CH would probably be eaten up with these exportation/importation costs...bring up the price equal to prices we end up paying here in the USA...but at least I can fill my suit cases full of luger holsters and other luger accessories... p.s. Maybe pick-up truck boy was an only child and the gene pool ended then and there... Regards, Pete...

01-21-2005, 08:53 AM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pete, I agree about the appearance of finish. I meant that the lines of the variation, are beautiful. No doubt that this particular pistol, considering the source, is a redo. "Fool that I am!" Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-21-2005, 03:11 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	I was hoping you would respond so that you could give me instructions on how to arc weld a gas tank. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-21-2005, 04:36 PM	#11
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ron The tank has to be completely full!! Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

01-21-2005, 04:53 PM	#12
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	of water!! David