Reischrevolver

MarkC · 06-23-2003, 03:34 PM

I don't know very much about these guns. This rig is from the son of a vet. What do you think is a fair price?

Also, what does the number 92 signify on the lower frame forward of the cylinder? Otherwise the gun is all matching, even the screws!

Thanks for the help, his dad just passed and his wife hates guns, I would like to offer him a fair price for the rig.

Mark

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Roadkill · 06-23-2003, 08:07 PM

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4522510

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976320441.htm

http://www.hermann-historica.com/auk...halt_gb_79.htm

http://www.militaryrevolvers.com/germany.htm

http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/P...Cartridge.html

rk

Edward Tinker · 06-23-2003, 09:59 PM

RK, I like these big old revolvers, but hadn't looked for them, so didn't realize that prices were not bad, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ed

Roadkill · 06-23-2003, 10:22 PM

I've never seen one in person, here's what they shoot:
10,6 x 24,5 R German Ordnance: (bullet size)
will work in

10,6 mm German Ordnance

10,6 mm Deutscher Ordonnanz Revolver M.1879 & 1883

10,6 mm Deutscher Reichsrevolver

10,6 mm Deutscher Revolver M.1880-84

10,6 mm Dienstrevolver

10,6 mm Kavallerie Revolver 1880

10,6 mm Offiziers Revolver M.1884

10,8 x 25 MRR

10,8 x 25 RR

10,85 mm Deutscher Reichsrevolver M.79 & 84

10,85 x 24,9 Revolver M.79 & 83

11 mm Deutscher Dienstrevolver

10,6 mm Reichsrevolver

DWM 200 200A

SAA 6435A

EB 153

rk

MarkC · 06-24-2003, 09:37 PM

Thanks guys, I just purchased the rig for $750.00 plus transfer fee and shipping.

O.K. Any clue as to where I can find ammo? The Old Western Scrounger doesn't carry it.

I'd like to put 6 rounds through her!

Mark

P.S. I put at least one or two mags through all of my guns. I actually put 50 rounds through my G date Luger with matching mag. The gun is in 98% with 99% or better straw. (too much time in and out of the holster) ..... That was fun!

John Sabato · 06-25-2003, 11:35 AM

MarkC,

Check that pouch on the side of the holster... that was the extra ammo pouch...maybe there are some rounds in there...

Just kidding Mark... perhaps one of the other members knows where you can find some safe ammo for this nice looking relic.

Navy · 06-26-2003, 12:15 AM

Congratulations! You got a steal. Reichsrevolver holsters often sell for more than you paid for that rig.It is a very nice piece and I wouldn't be too hasty in shooting it; you may reduce it's value substantially if something breaks...SARCO doesn't have a large inventory of Reichsrevolver piece parts.
Tom A.

MarkC · 06-26-2003, 03:08 PM

Thanks guys!

The gun just arrived and I did a quick look over. Everything seems to be in order, all the grip and frame screws have matching numbers on them. However, the cylinder pin take down lever screw looks like a different number. I suppose after 50 years of service and a world war a single small part had to be replaced to return her into service for a second time.

The unit number on the backstrap is 48.A.3.55, do any of you have a reference handy to identify the unit?

Mark

Navy · 06-27-2003, 05:37 PM

Should translate to 48th Artillery Regiment, 3rd Battery, gun #55.
Tom A

MarkC · 06-27-2003, 10:17 PM

Tom,

Thanks for the info. I also found out that during World War I the 48 Field-Artillery-Regiment and my revolver battled as part of the 23 and 241 Infanterie Divisions on the Western(Belgium, Aisne, Somme and Champagne) and Eastern Fronts (Russia and Galecia)

I think an interesting find, eh?

Mark

MarkC · 07-10-2003, 09:50 PM

Guy's,

Just thought you might be interested in my research on this old gun. German's consider the Reichrevolver as important as our Colt SAA. In many ways they are similar, black powder, big cartridge and used in peace and war time. Here is some information I received from a noted collector in Germany.

----------------

The gun is proof marked AR for Albert Rex the King of Saxony at that time. The revolver was ordered on 6th of May 1891 within a lot of 4,000 pieces. The order was placed because the gunners of the field artillery had to be armed with the revolver. At the end of October 1891 the gun was inspected. (The 92 on the frame must be the date the revolver went into service, 1892) My gun has been assembled with parts from many factories in Suhl and has civilian acceptance stamps on these parts.

The S under the serial number is for Saxony and the holster was also made in Saxony (Leipzig)

Concerning the holster, it is unit marked 78.A on the inside and indicates: Feldartillrie- Regiment Nr. 78. It was founded in 1901 and was stationed in a small town named Wurzen (10 miles west of Leipzig). The unit back strap stamp means: Feldartillerie- Regiment Nr. 48, 3. Batterie, Waffe 55 . This regiment was stationed in
Dresden and founded in 1899.

The Reichsrevolvers were not issued during WWII as often mentioned, there was an American order in 1944/45 for the civilians to deliver all the guns they had to a central collection area.

(Jokingly the German collectors say today that this order was introduced by American collectors in the military!!).

It is very interesting from a historical perspective what you can learn from an old, foreign revolver, if you do the work!

Mark

Pete Ebbink · 07-10-2003, 10:15 PM

Hello Mark,

Congratulations on the nice rig buy and I found your web site through your user profie; double-congratulations on an extremely great looking P-38 collection as well...!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-23-2003, 03:34 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Reischrevolver I don't know very much about these guns. This rig is from the son of a vet. What do you think is a fair price? Also, what does the number 92 signify on the lower frame forward of the cylinder? Otherwise the gun is all matching, even the screws! Thanks for the help, his dad just passed and his wife hates guns, I would like to offer him a fair price for the rig. Mark Edited by Admin-JS to change photo size. Click on the photo to see the full size photo <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Reichrevolver.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Reichrevolver.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

06-23-2003, 09:59 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	RK, I like these big old revolvers, but hadn't looked for them, so didn't realize that prices were not bad, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-25-2003, 11:35 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	MarkC, Check that pouch on the side of the holster... that was the extra ammo pouch...maybe there are some rounds in there... Just kidding Mark... perhaps one of the other members knows where you can find some safe ammo for this nice looking relic. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-23-2003, 08:07 PM	#2
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4522510 http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976320441.htm http://www.hermann-historica.com/auk...halt_gb_79.htm http://www.militaryrevolvers.com/germany.htm http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/P...Cartridge.html rk

06-23-2003, 10:22 PM	#4
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	I've never seen one in person, here's what they shoot: 10,6 x 24,5 R German Ordnance: (bullet size) will work in 10,6 mm German Ordnance 10,6 mm Deutscher Ordonnanz Revolver M.1879 & 1883 10,6 mm Deutscher Reichsrevolver 10,6 mm Deutscher Revolver M.1880-84 10,6 mm Dienstrevolver 10,6 mm Kavallerie Revolver 1880 10,6 mm Offiziers Revolver M.1884 10,8 x 25 MRR 10,8 x 25 RR 10,85 mm Deutscher Reichsrevolver M.79 & 84 10,85 x 24,9 Revolver M.79 & 83 11 mm Deutscher Dienstrevolver 10,6 mm Reichsrevolver DWM 200 200A SAA 6435A EB 153 rk

06-24-2003, 09:37 PM	#5
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Thanks guys, I just purchased the rig for $750.00 plus transfer fee and shipping. O.K. Any clue as to where I can find ammo? The Old Western Scrounger doesn't carry it. I'd like to put 6 rounds through her! Mark P.S. I put at least one or two mags through all of my guns. I actually put 50 rounds through my G date Luger with matching mag. The gun is in 98% with 99% or better straw. (too much time in and out of the holster) ..... That was fun!

06-26-2003, 12:15 AM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Congratulations! You got a steal. Reichsrevolver holsters often sell for more than you paid for that rig.It is a very nice piece and I wouldn't be too hasty in shooting it; you may reduce it's value substantially if something breaks...SARCO doesn't have a large inventory of Reichsrevolver piece parts. Tom A.

06-26-2003, 03:08 PM	#8
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Thanks guys! The gun just arrived and I did a quick look over. Everything seems to be in order, all the grip and frame screws have matching numbers on them. However, the cylinder pin take down lever screw looks like a different number. I suppose after 50 years of service and a world war a single small part had to be replaced to return her into service for a second time. The unit number on the backstrap is 48.A.3.55, do any of you have a reference handy to identify the unit? Mark

06-27-2003, 05:37 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Should translate to 48th Artillery Regiment, 3rd Battery, gun #55. Tom A

06-27-2003, 10:17 PM	#10
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Tom, Thanks for the info. I also found out that during World War I the 48 Field-Artillery-Regiment and my revolver battled as part of the 23 and 241 Infanterie Divisions on the Western(Belgium, Aisne, Somme and Champagne) and Eastern Fronts (Russia and Galecia) I think an interesting find, eh? Mark

07-10-2003, 09:50 PM	#11
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Guy's, Just thought you might be interested in my research on this old gun. German's consider the Reichrevolver as important as our Colt SAA. In many ways they are similar, black powder, big cartridge and used in peace and war time. Here is some information I received from a noted collector in Germany. ---------------- The gun is proof marked AR for Albert Rex the King of Saxony at that time. The revolver was ordered on 6th of May 1891 within a lot of 4,000 pieces. The order was placed because the gunners of the field artillery had to be armed with the revolver. At the end of October 1891 the gun was inspected. (The 92 on the frame must be the date the revolver went into service, 1892) My gun has been assembled with parts from many factories in Suhl and has civilian acceptance stamps on these parts. The S under the serial number is for Saxony and the holster was also made in Saxony (Leipzig) Concerning the holster, it is unit marked 78.A on the inside and indicates: Feldartillrie- Regiment Nr. 78. It was founded in 1901 and was stationed in a small town named Wurzen (10 miles west of Leipzig). The unit back strap stamp means: Feldartillerie- Regiment Nr. 48, 3. Batterie, Waffe 55 . This regiment was stationed in Dresden and founded in 1899. The Reichsrevolvers were not issued during WWII as often mentioned, there was an American order in 1944/45 for the civilians to deliver all the guns they had to a central collection area. (Jokingly the German collectors say today that this order was introduced by American collectors in the military!!). It is very interesting from a historical perspective what you can learn from an old, foreign revolver, if you do the work! Mark

07-10-2003, 10:15 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Mark, Congratulations on the nice rig buy and I found your web site through your user profie; double-congratulations on an extremely great looking P-38 collection as well...!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />